Chuck Esterbrook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I don't like spreadsheets.  I code in Emacs.  I read my mail in
> >Emacs.  I love Emacs.  I never ever use spreadsheets, why use them for
> >this one thing?
> 
> Because Emacs does not and never will contain the entire world. It doesn't 
> do diagrams, it doesn't do spreadsheets, it doesn't play video games, it's 
> not a bash shell (AFAIK), etc.
> 
> And it shouldn't be. If you eventually poured everything in there, you 
> would have an op sys and a bunch of programs. But we already have that.

Yeah, it's called Emacs :) But really, for good reason all code in all
languages is easily-editable ASCII, except APL and we all know what
happened to them.  And maybe visual GUI builders count too, but they
have a much more compelling reason to be non-ASCII.

Python code is well-structured and far richer than what a spreadsheet
can represent, because it structures it in a grammar.  No novice is
ever going to edit a model description, so it's no hinderance to use.

> >I've never really understood what UML languages really offer over just
> >reading something and thinking about it.
> 
> If you read and think that doesn't produce anything that someone else can 
> use. I guess UML becomes more useful as you work with more people.

Probably.  But I think a good English description is useful too, and
general enough to be all-encompassing, flexible enough to be as formal
as you desire.  And it's easy to inline ASCII representations of the
description, and I suppose possible (though more difficult :) to
inline spreadsheets.

I mean, I'm not *opposed* to them or anything.  It just always seemed
like organizational cruft to me, but I've never actually been in a
situation where they've been used.

  Ian

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