A comment.  When testing with live test data I have always applied the same
privacy and confidentiality procedures that go with "live" or production
data.  The policy and procedure my group signs does not differentiate, any
data we touch applies.  Patient data is patient data.   I cannot imagine why
I would need to add additional procedures, is that too much common sense, I
must be missing something.
p

Pamela A. Cotham
Senior Systems Analyst
EDS - California Medicaid
3215 Prospect Park Drive - F01
Rancho Cordova CA  95670
Office: 916.636.1964 
mailto:pamela.cotham@;eds.com
What we have done for ourselves dies with us, 
what we have done for others remains and is immortal.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Frenkel [mailto:gefeg@;att.net]
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:35 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List
Subject: RE: Medicare Transaction Testing with Production Patient Data


I would agree with Sheila's comments concerning testing.  My concern
would be how to implement HIPAA PHI concerns into IT departments that
would be using this data.  Organizations are going to have to have some
type of P&P to outline handling of real 'test' data.  There is a litany
of concerns that could arise in regards to who has access to this test
data, how long it is kept, security, paper documents created,
spreadsheets created, verification the data is removed completely(would
this require an independent audit?), etc.  Sounds like another WEDI
white paper.

Regards,

David Frenkel
Business Development
GEFEG USA
Global Leader in Ecommerce Tools
www.gefeg.com
425-260-5030

-----Original Message-----
From: Mazza, Ralph [mailto:RMazza@;nt.dma.state.ma.us] 
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 10:11 AM
To: WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List
Subject: RE: Medicare Transaction Testing with Production Patient Data

Zena, the following post to the National Medicaid EDI HIPAA (NMEH)
Mailing
List on September 27, 2002 may give you some comfort.  

Dear NMEH,
I have been given official authorizations to respond to your plea for
guidance.  Our Privacy regulation gurus here in CMS have discussed this
with
OCR, and the  answer is (drum roll)...

There is no blanket prohibition to testing with live data stated or
implied
in the privacy regulations.  Systems testing falls under program
operations.
The same principles apply as for any such use and disclosure.  You must
take
the all the appropriate precautions described in the regulation, and
have
all required business associate agreements signed.

Sheila Frank

Sheila Lynn Frank
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
CMS / Center for Medicaid & State Operations
Finance, Systems, Quality Group /  Division of State Systems
Phone: 410 786-0442


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