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Will we have a train wreck because some regulation went into effect that was not quite cooked? I hope not.  If the rules will not be applied as stringent as the letter of the law requires, I believe we will have a gradual EDI implementation.  The investment is now too big to rescind EDI.  It might actually work and create Administrative Simplification, eventually.  But to impose EDI on the industry like a Taliban  a Burka on women is not going to happen.  But even if we have a few weeks of train wreck, the politicians will scramble like cockroaches when the kitchen light goes on and come up with some kind of a band-aid. I am more afraid of those ad hoc solutions in fact.
Most likely the new standards will get a more voluntary touch, or penalties will be suspended until some time later (never)
Or it goes the way of the metrification.  Remember, the US adopted the metric system under Carter? Right.
 
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 -----Original Message-----
From: Jensen, Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 3:11 PM
To: WEDI SNIP Transactions Workgroup List
Subject: RE: AHA! An Implementation Plan, or New, Improved Train Wreck?

That makes the third "deer in the headlights" response to my original post, counting a private reply. 
 
My take on it is that they look like a deer in the headlights because they ARE a deer in the headlights.  There is (almost) nothing they can do to prevent this, short of some organized (formal or informal) collective action.  They can, of course, take some mitigating actions, such as nailing plywood over the windows.
 
To keep the metaphor going, we should clarify that the headlights are actually on the front of the two oncoming trains.
 
The train wreck (whether you look at the claims side, the financial side, the fraud side or the personnel side*) is happening at the "meta-" level.  It is a systemic problem, not an organizational one.  The only way to address it is through a (healthcare industry) system-level response.  Hence the importance of CMS acknowledgement and leadership on the issue (hint, hint.)
 
The policy issues previously alluded to are actually something that could (should, if anyone is paying attention) work in our favor.  Despite the dismal (and valid) view of the physician referenced in another response, the healthcare segment of the economy remains one of the few places where research continues to produce better products and services, high wage jobs can be found, quality continues to improve, etc.  This is especially important in areas of the country where the rest of the job market has been decimated (don't ask me how I know).  Is George W really going to turn his back on a market segment about to go down the tubes by a crisis of his own administration's making?  (Don't talk to me about how long ago the laws were passed and the regs were written -- the implications became known under his administration, and he will get the blame for being asleep at the switch).
 
Wait!  I take it all back!  The technical problems are completely trivial!  CMS's "stay the course" policy is right on target.  Experts agree -- everything is fine.
 
(Now,  which Democratic campaign manager do I want to send this material to?)
 
* When the rate of manual adjudication spikes for the insurance industry, where do you think they will go for the qualified personnel they need?  All I can say, Mr. and Ms. Provider, is that you should be VERY nice to all your coders and billers over the next few months....
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brancato [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 07:21
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Subject: RE: AHA! An Implementation Plan, or New, Improved Train Wreck?

Rachel,

In my work, I too am having the same "eyes glazed over" look. A provider I was on faculty with at the University of Virginia who now is in private practice gave me this perspective.

 

"My malpractice insurance increased 45%, my revenue decreased 12% and has every year for the last 4. The overhead for employee health benefits increased 24% and my employees haven't had a raise in 2 years. I am seeing more patients; the patients themselves are taking longer to pay so I'm not exactly sure why HIPAA even matters much if I don't have a practice left." He continued," I honestly don't have much left to deal with this and the only reason I'm even giving HIPAA Privacy the slightest thought is that I am concerned that a patient will sue me if I don't, not because I'd go to jail. As far as Security, I'll take my chances."

 

I'm paraphrasing a long conversation, but I thought it was the most succinct assessment that I've heard a small provider make.

 

 

Chris

 

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From: Rachel Foerster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 12:16 AM
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Subject: RE: AHA! An Implementation Plan, or New, Improved Train Wreck?

 

Martin, extremely well analyzed and said.

 

It's interesting to me....in the last week and a half I've given a session on The HIPAA EDI Train Wreck to a group of billing/collection agency/financial management companies and just today an audio conference to approximately 50+ providers. While both audiences have been extremely attentive, I came away from both sessions feeling that this look of attention is rather a "deer in the headlight" reaction. I will be giving this same presentation at the HIPAA Summit West in Seattle next week.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jensen, Martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 3:41 PM
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Subject: AHA! An Implementation Plan, or New, Improved Train Wreck?

I hear that the AHA "Implementation Plan" is being given consideration by CMS and NCVHS.  As one working to bring several hospitals, medium-large to small, into compliance, I think it appropriate to comment.

At first blush, the articles (there are two, both similar, the better version is linked below) seem to be a "pro-provider" response to the imminent train wreck.  However, on closer examination, there are some significant problems.  The suggested remedy may be worse than the original problem.

http://www.hospitalconnect.com/aha/key_issues/hipaa/content/letterjaredadair_transactionsandcodes.pdf

They are called the American Hospital Association, and thus they direct their remediation strategy specifically at "the hospital."  But I don't know of many hospitals that are not part of a larger system of physician practices, clinics and outlying facilities.  Such smaller entities are facing a serious challenge in the transition, with fewer resources to support their IT conversion and more limited access to capital.  Because the smaller entities and their hospital(s) are fiscally bound, a solution that leaves those entities out of the loop is certain to affect the hospital.

Overall, this paper perpetuates a number of damaging and long-refuted myths regarding HIPAA compliance:

The Myth of Understating the Magnitude of the Individual Effects:
"Even a slight decrease in claims processing...could negatively affect hospitals' ability to care for their patients."  No one who understands the threat is calling it a "slight decrease" in anything.  Except the people who are trying to downplay the magnitude of the problem to (or at) CMS.  The effects of an unmitigated train wreck will be severe and industry-wide, effecting even those who have managed to achieve full compliance by the due date.

The Myth of the Implementation Plan
"we propose the development of a system-wide implementation plan....."  An Impementation Plan consists of a set of tasks to achieve identified target objectives and by a series of well-defined dates.  This paper is not about implementation, nor is it a plan.  Instead it is a stopgap contingency measure, and as such it falls far short of saving providers in general or hospitals in specific.  Though it is probably much more than the payers will be willing to do voluntarily.  The problem is, by calling it an Implementation Plan, they will again forestall any meaningful planning, which is what the whole system of payers, providers, clearinghouses, vendors and government agencies desperately needs.

The Myth of the Achievable Testing Objective
"we believe that a successful implementation of the transaction and code set standards will require...complete end-to-end testing...well in advance of the October 16 deadline."  At the WEDI conference last week, one of the Blue Cross payers said that in order to do end to end testing with all of their submitters, they would need to complete over 300 successful tests per day.  As of now it is taking an average of 6 weeks and many hands-on hours per submitter.  Some payers have rightly concluded that end-to-end testing, especially under the mandated "100% complete and error-free" transaction standard, is unworkable, and have abandoned that approach for all but their largest providers and direct submitters.  On an individual basis, direct testing is clearly the best way to assure business continuity; but from an industry perspective, it is entirely unworkable. 

The Myth that the Payer Is Always Right
"Advance testing would give providers the time to identify and correct reporting and formatting deficiencies...."  The subtle assumption is that all errors are caused by provider deficiencies.  This assumption is belied by many providers' experiences in testing with payers.  What about when the payer needs to identify and correct *their* deficiencies in interpreting the standards?  What about when one of the clearinghouses (there are often two in a transaction chain) has  reformatted the original submission incorrectly, or rejected a submission unjustifiably?  One payer I talked to said his biggest problem was that he had no idea how many claims his clearinghouse had rejected "on his behalf."  And thus he has no way of contacting the submitter and working out their mutual needs, much less knowing how far he has gotten in trading partner testing.

The Myth of the Error Message
"We...urge CMS to recommend the routine use of the various X12 acknowledgement messages...." X12's 997 and TA1 acknowledgements carry almost no useful information in terms of decoding problems with claims.  In fact, someone pointed out at the conference that even a denial in an 835 won't give providers much of a clue about the reason a claim or line item was rejected.  This person said much more meaningful information is carried in the claim status response (277), which adds another transaction to the priority list for providers.  And the status codes that are "approved" are much less detailed than most proprietary reports payers are sending now.

The "Bad Providers Deserve to Die" Myth
I can't believe they really say this, but they do: "The proposed implementation plan does not help covered entities -- providers or health plans -- that are unprepared to generate a standard transaction."  What about the providers who are waiting in line for their vendors to install, who have been waiting in line for the payers to test, who were waiting for CMS to approve an Addenda that works?  Do those "bad providers" deserve to die?  More to the point, do their patients? 

Also, in the final analysis, the "plan" itself is nearly unintelligible.  Roman Numeral III on page 7 is where I expected to find the calculation for the value of an estimated payment.  The rest of the letter seems to imply that the payment would be based on an estimate of claims revenue (presumably after subtracting any claims that could actually be processed).

But instead, item III does no such thing, and the steps it suggests make no sense.  In fact, if followed, they would make matters far worse. 

         In step III.1, it implies that the claims are getting through.  Providers who need the most relief will be those whose transactions are rejected immediately for syntactical discrepencies -- a "full bounce" of a batch of claims -- followed immediately by those who cannot get their system (i.e. their software vendor or clearinghouse) to produce a compliant transaction. 

         In step III.2, they assert that these claims can somehow be adjudicated.  But the contingency payments were supposed to be for the claims that could NOT be adjudicated. 

         Finally, and worst of all, Step III.3 requires that the provider submit the missing elements -- the unavailability of which are the cause of the errors in the first place -- on a paper "statement."  If my system has not given me a way to send, for example, subscriber date-of-birth, it is likely that it gives me no place to store such information.  How am I supposed to send a "statement" of information that I don't have?  More to the point, how does sending this data in a completely nonstandard format (presumably on paper) reduce the impact of the train wreck?  Any payer with sense would deliver such reports immediately to their shredder, so as not to waste the scarce personnel resources already processing a mountain of paper claims, which at least are in a recognizable format.  What's more, the provider would be far better off sending a paper claim, which doesn't REQUIRE the unavailable information.

And so this avalanche of paper claims, the much-feared root cause of the trainwreck, becomes the logical consequence of adapting this purported "implementation plan."

Next...an analysis of the unexamined effect of the train wreck on financial markets, and a possible alternative to perserve financial stability.

Martin Jensen
Project Manager
St. John Health System
918-744-3234

 

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