Tom,
I'd say maybe... Sometimes the package installs are very behind the pip 
installs. I recently ran into this with paho mqtt client. That is why I 
gave the OP the option of either a package install or pip install.
For me since I have WeeWX running on dedicated pi (essentially a self 
contained environment) I prefer using pip to install any required modules. 
But as always YMMV...
rich

On Monday 29 July 2024 at 11:49:11 UTC-4 Tom Keffer wrote:

> Thanks, John. I figured it was something like that.
>
> Marty: you can probably fix by installing using apt:
>
> *sudo apt install python3-sortedcollections*
>
>
> Rich: the OP used a package install, not pip install, so the best way to 
> fix is a package install of sortedcollections.
>
> -tk
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 8:04 AM 'John Kline' via weewx-user <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I looks like he is using an extension of mine (weewx-loopdata) that 
>> requires sorted containers since weewx-loopdata v3.0.  The README states 
>> that sortedcontainers must be installed and the weewx 5 install 
>> instructions, step 1, states:
>>
>>    1. 
>>    
>>    
>>    Activate the virtual environment (actual syntax varies by type of 
>>    WeeWX install):/home/weewx/weewx-venv/bin/activate
>>    
>>
>> I’m asssuming weewx 5.  If it is weewx 4, follow the WeeWX instructions 
>> for weewx 4 installs.
>>
>> On Jul 29, 2024, at 9:51 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> This is ‘due’ to pep 668 and a ‘push’ for users to use virtual 
>> environments. It is warning the person installing the python module, 
>> sortedcontainers, that they  are installing into an ‘global’ 
>> (externally-managed-environment) location. There are a few ways to solve 
>> this.
>> Create a virtual environment, activate it, and install the module. Since 
>> WeeWX was a package install, this is not reasonable.
>> As the message states, override the warning using the 
>> ‘--break-system-packages’ option. It would look something like this, ‘pip3 
>> install sortedcontainers --break-system-packages’.
>> If it exists, install the OS package. It would be something like this, 
>> ‘sudo apt install python3-sortedcontainers’
>>
>> Additional information:
>> http://rptl.io/venv
>> https://peps.python.org/pep-0668/
>>
>> https://packaging.python.org/en/latest/specifications/externally-managed-environments/#externally-managed-environments
>>
>> rich
>> On Monday 29 July 2024 at 10:10:36 UTC-4 Tom Keffer wrote:
>>
>>> The user is doing a package install (the clue is paths such as 
>>> '/usr/share/weewx/...'
>>>
>>> My thinking is that you are using an extension that needs 
>>> 'sortedcontainers'.
>>>
>>> Please post your configuration file, /etc/weewx/weewx.conf. Make sure 
>>> you look it over and remove any passwords or other sensitive information 
>>> before posting. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2024 at 11:41 PM Marty b <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Should point out that I did try installing the missing module, but got 
>>>> the following error:
>>>>
>>>>  $ pip3 install sortedcontainers
>>>> error: externally-managed-environment
>>>>
>>>> × This environment is externally managed
>>>> ╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try apt install
>>>>     python3-xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to
>>>>     install.
>>>>
>>>>     If you wish to install a non-Debian-packaged Python package,
>>>>     create a virtual environment using python3 -m venv path/to/venv.
>>>>     Then use path/to/venv/bin/python and path/to/venv/bin/pip. Make
>>>>     sure you have python3-full installed.
>>>>
>>>>     For more information visit http://rptl.io/venv
>>>>
>>>> note: If you believe this is a mistake, please contact your Python 
>>>> installation or OS distribution provider. You can override this, at the 
>>>> risk of breaking your Python installation or OS, by passing 
>>>> --break-system-packages.
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, July 28, 2024 at 11:14:11 PM UTC-7 Marty b wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just built a new SD card with Raspbian bookworm 64 bit and WeeWx.  
>>>>> When starting weewx I get an error "No module named 'sortedcontainers'.  
>>>>> Please let me know how to resolve this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.engine: StdConvert 
>>>>> target unit is 0x1
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.wxservices: 
>>>>> StdWXCalculate will use data binding wx_binding
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.engine: Archive 
>>>>> will use data binding wx_binding
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.engine: Record 
>>>>> generation will be attempted in 'hardware'
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.engine: Using 
>>>>> archive interval of 300 seconds (specified by hardware)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: 
>>>>> StationRegistry: Registration not requested.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: 
>>>>> Wunderground: Posting not enabled.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: PWSweather: 
>>>>> Posting not enabled.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: CWOP: 
>>>>> Posting not enabled.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: WOW: Posting 
>>>>> not enabled.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.restx: AWEKAS: 
>>>>> Posting not enabled.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: INFO weewx.engine: 'pyephem' 
>>>>> detected, extended almanac data is available
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__: Caught 
>>>>> unrecoverable exception:
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     **** 
>>>>>  No module named 'sortedcontainers'
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     **** 
>>>>>  Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/usr/share/weewx/weewxd.py", line 121, in main
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    engine = weewx.engine.StdEngine(config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/usr/share/weewx/weewx/engine.py", line 89, in __init__
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    self.loadServices(config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/usr/share/weewx/weewx/engine.py", line 157, in loadServices
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    obj = weeutil.weeutil.get_object(svc)(self, config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/usr/share/weewx/weeutil/weeutil.py", line 1404, in get_object
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    module = importlib.import_module(module_name)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/usr/lib/python3.11/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in 
>>>>> import_module
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1206, in _gcd_import
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1178, in _find_and_load
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 1149, in 
>>>>> _find_and_load_unlocked
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 690, in _load_unlocked
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: Traceback (most recent call 
>>>>> last):
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/share/weewx/weewxd.py", line 226, in <module>
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap_external>", line 940, in exec_module
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     main()
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/share/weewx/weewxd.py", line 121, in main
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "<frozen importlib._bootstrap>", line 241, in 
>>>>> _call_with_frames_removed
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     engine = 
>>>>> weewx.engine.StdEngine(config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:             
>>>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/share/weewx/weewx/engine.py", line 89, in __init__
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>  File "/etc/weewx/bin/user/loopdata.py", line 30, in <module>
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     
>>>>> self.loadServices(config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/share/weewx/weewx/engine.py", line 157, in loadServices
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     obj = 
>>>>> weeutil.weeutil.get_object(svc)(self, config_dict)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     ****   
>>>>>    from sortedcontainers import SortedDict
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:           
>>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/share/weewx/weeutil/weeutil.py", line 1404, in get_object
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     **** 
>>>>>  ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'sortedcontainers'
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]: CRITICAL __main__:     **** 
>>>>>  Exiting.
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     module = 
>>>>> importlib.import_module(module_name)
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:             
>>>>>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:   File 
>>>>> "/usr/lib/python3.11/importlib/__init__.py", line 126, in import_module
>>>>> Jul 28 23:12:10 WeeWx2024 weewxd[2632]:     return 
>>>>> _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
>>>>>
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