did you mean overwhelming guilt, or overwhelming evidence? I think I may have worded my original statement incorrectly. Not "those people they arrested" but "the people who did it." It's possible they arrested innocent people, and even more likely that not everyone involved was arrested, but I have no doubt there was a plot, and the people who were planning it should rot in hell, whether they are convicted or not. Is that better?
--- In [email protected], "Hannah Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sigh. I'm going to bullet-point this one: > > 1) No one's arguing that these people were arrested without cause. We're > taking exception with your implied belief that a trial is unnecessary in > instances of overwhelming guilt. The rule of law dictates that a person > suspected of a crime be charged under the stated laws of the land and that > the state must marshall evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the > person under trial has in fact committed those crimes and should be punished > for them. The burden of proof is on the state, not on the defendant. And > it's certainly not in the court of public opinion. > > 2) Claiming responsibility (i.e confessing) is not proof in and of itself > that the group was behind it. There are many reasons why an organization > might claim false credit. > > 3) A criminal trial should follow the dictates I set out earlier. The farce > that is Saddam's trial should not be held up as an example of a working > system of justice. > > 4) In the article cited, the writer does not use the word 'allegedly' > because the word 'suspect' is used appropriately to describe the individuals > arrested and accused of the crime. > > I understand that you're upset, but you're also wrong. > > On 8/12/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > OK, am I the only one who is pretty sure that at least some of these > > people did something wrong? This is pretty extreme action if they > > didn't. Tough call, I know, but if they had blown themselves up they > > would have been pretty guilty and there still wouldn't have been a > > trial. I read some group claimed responsibility. If a group takes > > responsibility for something, they are pretty much admitting they did > > it without a trial. Sometimes a trial is just to determine > > punishment, not prove guilt. Did Saddam Hussein go to trial to > > determine if he was guilty or not? > > > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/11/AR2006081102053_pf.html > > > > I noticed an unusual absence of the word "allegedly" in this article, > > usually used when reporters don't want to be accused of making false > > accusations. They seem pretty sure that these people were planning > > something big. If you really think I'm jumping to conclusions, I'm > > willing to entertain that possibility. > > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Hannah Robinson" > > > > <hjrobinson@> wrote: > > > > > > That's kind of the whole point of a trial, Ellen. > > > > > > On 8/11/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm getting the impression that they have good reason to believe the > > > > majority of them are guilty. Sorry, I'm convinced. You don't need a > > > > trial to prove someone is guilty. > > > > > > > > --- In > > [email protected] <weingartenchatters%40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "denisesudell" > > > > > > > > <dsudell7781@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > [email protected] <weingartenchatters%40yahoogroups.com> > > <weingartenchatters%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > > > "Ellen" <ellengoodman6@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "Those people they arrested should rot in hell. . . . Yes it's > > > > > possible they arrested some people that were innocent, but I am > > > > > certain they aren't all innocent. . . . This is sick and these > > people > > > > > deserve whatever is coming to them." > > > > > > > > > > Boy, if I ever get arrested and charged with a crime, I hope you > > don't > > > > > serve on the jury. > > > > > > > > > > Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty"? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/weingartenchatters/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
