Humm I don't see it that way. It could have been a lot worse. Some of my friends saw their dads 1 weekend out of the month and 2 weeks for the summer. That was sad.
Don't get me wrong I would have LOVED to have a positive example of what a loving supportive marriage is supposed to be but sometimes knowing what you DON'T want is as importnant as knowing what you do.
Take Care,
Daria
On 8/22/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
ah, got it. that's sad, still.
--- In [email protected], "Daria Akers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Yes.. they avoided speaking. The arraignments were dictated by the
court
> (Mon, Wed, Friday and Sat till 8pm with Dad the rest with mom). Dad
would
> beep his horn and I would leave. The fighting continued practically
till mom
> died but the coffee cup was before the divorce (It is family
lore... I
> didn't see it).
> It sounds so much worse than it really was.... I think kids who
lose a
> parent due to divorce are worse off than I was. I was lucky to have
two
> parents who loved me.
> Take Care,
> Daria
>> On 8/22/06, Ellen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > they divorced when you were 5 and THEN they stopped speaking?
Well I
> > guess that makes more sense than not speaking while you're still
> > married, but still--you would think it you were divorced there
would
> > be enough separation that you could speak just to make
arrangements
> > for the kids, etc. Was the fighting and the coffee cup fights
before
> > or after the divorce?
> >
> >> > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Daria Akers"
> > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > >
> > > By 7th grade my parents were divorced (They divorced when I was
> > 5)... It was
> > > better when they weren't actually speaking. It meant that they
> > weren't
> > > fighting. Or chucking things at each other... My mom once threw
a
> > coffee cup
> > > at my dad and broke the lamp on the end table AT THE OTHER END
OF
> > THE COUCH.
> > > It was a messing divorce and custody disputes continues
practically
> > till mom
> > > died.
> > > I know I've had a lot of bad things happen in my life but I've
had
> > some
> > > GREAT moments. My mom was a hoot and she really touched a lot of
> > people's
> > > lives. My dad was an ass for a really long time but has sort of
> > come around.
> > > It doesn't help that he has Asperger's so his social skills suck
> > and he is
> > > clueless when he is hurting people. But he would drop anything
and
> > come help
> > > me if I needed it (I would call him when getting the in
ambulance
> > to the
> > > hospital with Cassie and he would be on the road up from
Hampton in
> > 5
> > > minutes).
> > > You hit the nail on the head.... If I don't laugh I would be
crying
> > and that
> > > just isn't as fun. The time we have is short...I want to live it
> > the best
> > > that I can.
> > > Take Care,
> > > Daria
> > >
> > > On 8/22/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > oh you poor thing! Your parents stopped speaking (got divorced
> > > > eventually I'm guessing?) then your mom committed suicide
when she
> > > > got ovarian cancer, then you lost a child? Wow that's
horrible.
> > It's
> > > > amazing you've found the strength to get through all that and
> > keep a
> > > > sense of humor too. Or maybe you have to. I really admire your
> > > > courage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com >,
> > > > "Daria Akers"
> > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah my mom and dad weren't talking by that point and they
had
> > run
> > > > out of
> > > > > money so private school wasn't an option any more so she
just
> > > > taught me the
> > > > > slang and sent me back the next day.
> > > > > :)
> > > > > Daria
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/22/06, dvm8375 <muellerdana@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I also switched to public school in the 7th grade, and
when I
> > > > came
> > > > > > home on the first day and asked my mom, "what's a blow
job?,"
> > she
> > > > > > turned to my dad and screamed, "I told you we should keep
> > them in
> > > > > > private school!!"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In
[email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > >
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > "Daria Akers"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > < daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I vividly remember my mom turning to me and my boyfriend
> > while
> > > > we
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > sitting on the couch watching TV and mom said "Use one
of
> > these
> > > > > > (she make
> > > > > > > the ok sign) and it ain't a quarter". I thought I was
going
> > to
> > > > > > DIE. She
> > > > > > > didn't teach me enough but I remember she had to sit me
down
> > > > after
> > > > > > I came
> > > > > > > home from my first week in public school crying and
explain
> > all
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > sexual slang. I was in 7th grade. It's so odd when your
mom
> > > > knows
> > > > > > what a
> > > > > > > pearl necklace is and you don't.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 8/18/06, Hannah Robinson <hjrobinson@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually, to be fair to my mom, that line requires a
> > smoother
> > > > > > delivery
> > > > > > > > than can be expressed in e-mail. It's more of
a, "Please
> > don't
> > > > > > make me a
> > > > > > > > grandmother"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course, the irony being that she's now in her
fifties
> > and
> > > > > > she's whining
> > > > > > > > because she has four grown kids and no grandchildren.
> > Clearly
> > > > > > revenge is a
> > > > > > > > dish best served really really late.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 8/18/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well maybe NO sex talk is better than that. My
parents
> > > > > > didn't tell
> > > > > > > > > me not to have sex, they didn't tell me to be
careful,
> > they
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > tell me not to get pregnant, they didn't tell me to
tell
> > > > them
> > > > > > if I
> > > > > > > > > did, how to prevent it, NOTHING. It was as though
the
> > > > concept
> > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > exist. Made me wonder whether it in fact did for
them,
> > then
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > > remembered that my brother and I somehow managed to
> > make it
> > > > on
> > > > > > to the
> > > > > > > > > scene, so they must have been aware of the concept.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So how DO you make certain? Give them a miserable
> > > > childhood? Or
> > > > > > > > > will that make them more likely as they look for an
> > escape
> > > > > > from the
> > > > > > > > > misery?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com><weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Hannah Robinson"
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <hjrobinson@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I believe that sex-ed in my family can be summed
up as
> > > > such:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "If you ever get pregnant, I'll kill you. Then
I'll
> > raise
> > > > > > the baby
> > > > > > > > > while
> > > > > > > > > > you go to college."
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I had a pretty miserable adolescence (early and
> > somewhat
> > > > > > extreme
> > > > > > > > > > development, parental divorce) at an all-girls
> > school, and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > proceeded to
> > > > > > > > > > go that bastion of Social Normativity, the
University
> > of
> > > > > > Chicago,
> > > > > > > > > so I know
> > > > > > > > > > exactly how to make certain my kids will never
have
> > > > teenage
> > > > > > sex.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 8/18/06, Ellen <ellengoodman6@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > FWIW, my parents NEVER talked to me about sex.
To
> > this
> > > > day.
> > > > > > > > > I'm 39.
> > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, I didn't talk to them about it
either.
> > There
> > > > > > was no
> > > > > > > > > one I
> > > > > > > > > > > was interested in in high school, so it wasn't
> > really an
> > > > > > issue
> > > > > > > > > until
> > > > > > > > > > > college when I was no longer living in my
parents'
> > > > house,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > still.
> > > > > > > > > > > I guess they figured we got whatever needed in
sex
> > ed
> > > > > > class, the
> > > > > > > > > last
> > > > > > > > > > > of which I think was maybe 8th grade? Maybe if
I did
> > > > have a
> > > > > > > > > > > boyfriend it would have come up, but my brother
had
> > a
> > > > > > girlfriend,
> > > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > > > > think, and I still don't think it came up, at
least
> > not
> > > > in
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > presence and not that he told me about. I
decided
> > > > > > independently
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > I didn't want to do it just to say I had done
it if
> > I
> > > > > > wasn't in a
> > > > > > > > > > > relationship, and I really didn't like my high
> > school
> > > > > > classmates
> > > > > > > > > > > much, so it wasn't an issue. Maybe my parents
were
> > more
> > > > > > concerned
> > > > > > > > > > > with my lack of friends than the possibility of
> > having
> > > > too-
> > > > > > close
> > > > > > > > > > > friends. Who knows?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In
> > > > > > [email protected]<weingartenchatters%
40yahoogroups.com>
> > <weingartenchatters%
> > 40yahoogroups.com><weingartenchatters%
> > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > <weingartenchatters%
> > > > > > > > > 40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > "Daria Akers"
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > <daria.akers@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I think that a huge part of having a daughter
who
> > > > > > respects
> > > > > > > > > herself
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't sleep around is having a father who
is in
> > her
> > > > > > life and
> > > > > > > > > > > loves her. My
> > > > > > > > > > > > father's love was not unconditional and when I
> > > > couldn't
> > > > > > get it I
> > > > > > > > > > > wanted that
> > > > > > > > > > > > love and acceptance from any guy. The one
thing I
> > had
> > > > > > that they
> > > > > > > > > > > wanted was,
> > > > > > > > > > > > well, we all know right. In the big picture I
got
> > > > > > lucky... I
> > > > > > > > > didn't
> > > > > > > > > > > get HIV,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't get pregnant, I didn't get hepititus
or
> > > > general
> > > > > > > > > herpies...
> > > > > > > > > > > I did
> > > > > > > > > > > > however get an STD and am HPV +. I have had
> > > > cryosurgery
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > remove
> > > > > > > > > > > > precancerous cells from my cervix (Some places
> > are not
> > > > > > meant to
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > frozen!!)
> > > > > > > > > > > > all because of bad decisions as a teenager.
So I
> > will
> > > > > > talk with
> > > > > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > > > daughter
> > > > > > > > > > > > openly about this... I am NOT again premarital
> > sex...
> > > > I
> > > > > > am
> > > > > > > > > against
> > > > > > > > > > > > unprotected sex. I'm also huge into getting
> > yourself
> > > > off
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > that's
> > > > > > > > > > > another
> > > > > > > > > > > > story.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Also my church has an amzing sex ed program
that
> > my
> > > > > > daughter
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > > go to...
> > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.uua.org/owl/
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Daria
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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