I concur with Milton. We have not yet tried some of these things and when we try it doesnt mean all will be a success, but we should not conclude that they will always not work. What I know is many times people dont know their rights and fear to demand for their rights. Even in this forum when you talk about demanding for rights you get responses that puzzle at this level, people tend to only create fear in those who want to stand up for their rights. Just to give you some examples, we have funded lawyers like Silvia Tamale and Rwakafuzi who have done some public interest litigations that have been won in Uganda. In Kenya we have funded lawyers who have taken the anti- counterfeit law that was passed last year to court because this law will limit access to generic medicines which our EA countries depend on. We are almost winning it and the MoH of kenya had to confess to WHO that it was an oversight to pass this law after all the limitations of this law were highlighted and court has put an injunction on this law untill the case is disposed of. We also have a similar bill in Uganda that we are fighting and if passed the way it is now we shall take it to court, same to the HIV bill.
We need to first start by making people to know their rights so that they can demand for them. Some of these could be done by WNF if we were really organised.We also need lawyers who are activitists with interest in such cases. Many of our lawyers are just interested in money making, they can't even do such cases on pro-bono basis for the interest of the public. Yet these issues that affect all of us. Christine ________________________________ From: anguyo milton <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, July 19, 2010 12:00:40 PM Subject: [WestNileNet] Re: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 23, Issue 25 Hi Sunday, I want to encourage and assure Peter that Public litigation is not in vain-already we can see that it as been effective in other places and the more peope become aware of their civil rights,the more they'll act hence the improvement in social services delivery by those charged with the responsibility at whatever level ! I expect and want to see more public litigation cases before the courts to defend the public good.......Arua sould be next ! Milton --- On Mon, 7/19/10, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >From: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Subject: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 23, Issue 25 >To: [email protected] >Date: Monday, July 19, 2010, 1:22 AM > > >Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES (Sunday Akile) > 2. Re: KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES (peter odama) > 3. Re: KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES (Kiggundu Mukasa) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 04:55:41 -0700 (PDT) >From: Sunday Akile <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES >To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Milton, > >This kind of civil action in courts of law is what is refered to us Public >Interest litigation. Where a member or a group of persons or an organisation >goes to court to enforce the rights of citizens. Such a right has to be >provided for in the law. A right that defends the public good. > >In my view it is highly encouraged that as citizens for the good of our selves >and the greater public, we should always take interest is >such litigations either against government or even local governments who are >incharge of managing our affairs and resources. By this i don't mean to >suggest >what is unlawful but the opposite. I have noted that not many Ugandans have >persued this angle of enforcing their rights but rather to lament & lament on >all sorts of forums including ours here. > >Going to courts of law is Demoratic and a high level of civilisation! > >Akile Sunday Igu Rocks >Managing Partner, >M/s Akile, Olok & Co. Advocate >5th Floor, Greenlad Towers, >Plot 30, Kampala Rd. > > > > >________________________________ >From: anguyo milton <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 12:34:58 PM >Subject: [WestNileNet] KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES > > > >-------------- next part -------------- >An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >URL: >http://orion.kym.net/pipermail/westnilenet/attachments/20100718/d6d6f719/attachment-0001.html > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:00:47 +0300 >From: peter odama <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES >To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> >Message-ID: > <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Milton, > >I beg your pardon, as visually and in any other way, its explicitly very >hard to comment now and tomorrow if fine for us, let's understand micro >economically leave politics and propaganda out.........without any impunity >how many NGO's and company employees are paying/remitting reasonably good >Local Service Tax , URA and PAYE in our own Navel land??????? >starting with your area, going to court is just a waste of time, all >Ugandans if am not mistaken, Dont know any reasonabe future of going to >court, but Every one and our infants know natural Law, and its effects etc >with Legal implications, KCC is the mother land for future corrections >unless all Ugandans know that its for the common purpose and its hard >to comment but it will take reasonally good time to have KCC corrected as >Cosmopolitant.............................city, a village is a Village > >My advise to all of us, is we should use our leaders in our own arears who >are currently helping to pivot our little painfull economy to push such >factors, development takes time, but we MUST use BIG Push Theory or any >other as the last resort factor, but its not the time if i can see > >We sponsor our self/bros/sisters/sons/daughters and needy to school, then we >shall feel it in Mass Populations for all in every national economy, we all >care > >AM TALKING ABOUT REVENUE INPUT PER VILLAGE ECONOMY > > >Odama >On 18 July 2010 14:55, Sunday Akile <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Milton, >> >> This kind of civil action in courts of law is what is refered to us Public >> Interest litigation. Where a member or a group of persons or an organisation >> goes to court to enforce the rights of citizens. Such a right has to be >> provided for in the law. A right that defends the public good. >> >> In my view it is highly encouraged that as citizens for the good of our >> selves and the greater public, we should always take interest is >> such litigations either against government or even local governments who are >> incharge of managing our affairs and resources. By this i don't mean to >> suggest what is unlawful but the opposite. I have noted that not many >> Ugandans have persued this angle of enforcing their rights but rather to >> lament & lament on all sorts of forums including ours here. >> >> Going to courts of law is Demoratic and a high level of civilisation! >> >> *Akile Sunday Igu Rocks >> *Managing Partner, >> M/s Akile, Olok & Co. Advocate >> 5th Floor, Greenlad Towers, >> Plot 30, Kampala Rd. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* anguyo milton <[email protected]> >> *To:* [email protected] >> *Sent:* Sat, July 17, 2010 12:34:58 PM >> *Subject:* [WestNileNet] KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >> attachments if any). 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Where a member or a group of persons or an organisation >>goes to court to enforce the rights of citizens. Such a right has to be >>provided >>for in the law. A right that defends the public good. >> >> In my view it is highly encouraged that as citizens for the good of our >> selves >>and the greater public, we should always take interest is such litigations >>either against government or even local governments who are incharge of >>managing >>our affairs and resources. By this i don't mean to suggest what is unlawful >>but >>the opposite. I have noted that not many Ugandans have persued this angle of >>enforcing their rights but rather to lament & lament on all sorts of forums >>including ours here. >> >> Going to courts of law is Demoratic and a high level of civilisation! >> >> Akile Sunday Igu Rocks >> Managing Partner, >> M/s Akile, Olok & Co. Advocate >> 5th Floor, Greenlad Towers, >> Plot 30, Kampala Rd. >> >> >> From: anguyo milton <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, July 17, 2010 12:34:58 PM >> Subject: [WestNileNet] KCC SUED OVER POT HOLES >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WestNileNet mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet >> >> WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ >> >> All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >> >> The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including >>attachments if any). 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