Dungu Caleb, I feel your pain and frustration. You are spot on in every issue you have raised. Economists would classify the activities of WNF/WNNET this far as "a tragedy of commons". I mean when you have multiple individuals, acting independently and rationally consulting their own self-interest, the shared limited resouce will ultimately be depleted even when it is clear that it is not in anyone's long-term interest for this to happen. Any one who cared to organise the activities of WNF/Net should have by now realised you cannot succeed if with this open to all policy. I mean, we already have a list of guys who are always there to fix urgent problems where financing is required, in my opnion that should have been the starting point to limit access of active participation on the foundation affairs. Other members would join when they become serious period. All of you know to succeed on the different initiatives debated in this forum you need MONEY. You have guys who generously financed the "SEEDS PROJECT", you have guys who financially time and again contribute in OB's/OG's activities, in emergenicies. WHY THEN ARE WE INTERESTED IN HAVING TO WALK WITH EVERY ONE WHEN ITS VERY CLEAR FROM THE ONSET SOME WILL TALK BUT SHY AWAY WHEN IT'S TIME TO WALK THE TALK?
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Re: Conspirancy of silence (aggrey adrale) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:18:46 +0300 From: alaka caleb <[email protected]> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dear members, Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they were not as enlightened as we are. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:42:24 +0300 From: Patrick Anguti <[email protected]> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear all, I think Caleb has raised a point we seriously need to think about. We always discuss fruitful ideas on this forum with no results. We have come up with several ideas that remain on this page. It's really time we get a way forward or else we just gona waste our time. Anyway, for those of you who are willing to plant their own trees, UEDCL is in the process of starting an outgrower scheme where we shall give you seedlings for planting, and then u raise the trees and sell to us at the current market price. Am trying to work out a moderlity where you can also be given some money for maintenance but it will be deducted at the time of harvest. We are also looking for large land for afforestation. It should be about 125acres onwards in East, Central, West and North. If u have friends who have such land, we will be willing to buy. I also carryout plantation establishment and management for private individual under my company Delpat Consult(U) Ltd. Through that am available. Regards, On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM, alaka caleb <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear members, > > Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of > subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile > Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some > even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the > memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested > that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have > no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or > move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this > idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good > ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science > Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we > actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, > when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of > our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host > the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server > from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity > and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have > had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and > the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful > to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful > without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. > Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls > organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes > and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have > no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership > accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has > contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We > resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other > regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to > ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we > are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they > were not as enlightened as we are. > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > [email protected] > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > _______________________________________________ > -- Patrick Anguti Forest Officer Uganda Electricity Distribution Company Limited P O Box 7390, kampala Tel: +256-312-330300 Fax: +256-414-255600 Mob: +256-772-929633 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://orion.kym.net/mailman/private/westnilenet/attachments/20110406/f8949352/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:42:17 +0100 (BST) From: aggrey adrale <[email protected]> To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Caleb, Calm down and tone down! The issues you have expressed on the various opinions and sentiments of 'members' of the West Nile Foundation/Forum can still be resolved in one way or the other. True to the sense we are averse to big gatherings beyond our micro-social barriers. How I wish we could turn up to calls for meetings like we turn up for meat-eatings. Anyhow these and other sentiments are the complexities of a diverse society. My Brother Caleb, kindly do not throw in the towel...it may be the worst thing to do. I think there are still people out there, including you and me, who can take one more stride. Perhaps we need a third person to fulfill God's quorum of three...and He will be in the midst. Just make the third-last call for an open meeting to re-present, discuss and adopt the documentary instruments and prospective projects of the proposed West Nile Foundation. Circulate that call on the net and let 'members' confirm their attendance on line. Even if 10 persons gather, let's find room to formally adopt these instruments by physically appending our signatures to them and we move on. Over to you my Brother... Aggrey Adrale --- On Wed, 6/4/11, alaka caleb <[email protected]> wrote: > From: alaka caleb <[email protected]> > Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 9:18 > Dear members, > > Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on > payment of > subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West > Nile > Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several > members. Some > even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, > the > memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other > members suggested > that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result > to-date we have > no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't > implement or > move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all > abandon this > idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted > all good > ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even > the Science > Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are > comfortable and we > actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian > organizations, > when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor > the idea of > our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money > to host > the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import > a server > from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their > magnanimity > and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we > should have > had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile > Foundation and > the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us > were useful > to our community without these organizations,? We can > still be useful > without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the > Foundation. > Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old > boys/girls > organizations in our old schools were we are more > comfortable, tribes > and probably religion. Without payment of subscription > fees, we have > no right to belong to and hold an organization and its > leadership > accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has > contributions by some members let him arrange to refund > them. We > resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and > now other > regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We > lied to > ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this > rate we > are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) > relatives. For they > were not as? enlightened as we are. > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > [email protected] > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted > them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not > responsible for them in any way. > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing list [email protected] http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet End of WestNileNet Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 ******************************************* _______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing list [email protected] http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. _______________________________________________
