Caleb et al, The WNF was, is and will remain a "coalition of the willing". However, why the current indifference? Whereas the net has served largely as a good "notice board", it is important, as Aggrey puts it, for a face to face interaction of the interested members. This i believe will satisfy the inherent desire by man to believe in what they "see".
Ezaga On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:59 PM, anguyo francis leni < [email protected]> wrote: > Dungu Caleb, > I feel your pain and frustration. You are spot on in every issue you have > raised. Economists would classify the activities of WNF/WNNET this far as > "a > tragedy of commons". I mean when you have multiple individuals, acting > independently and rationally consulting their own self-interest, the shared > limited resouce will ultimately be depleted even when it is clear that it > is not > in anyone's long-term interest for this to happen. Any one who cared to > organise > the activities of WNF/Net should have by now realised you cannot succeed if > with > this open to all policy. I mean, we already have a list of guys who are > always > there to fix urgent problems where financing is required, in my opnion that > should have been the starting point to limit access of active participation > on > the foundation affairs. Other members would join when they become serious > period. All of you know to succeed on the different initiatives debated in > this > forum you need MONEY. You have guys who generously financed the "SEEDS > PROJECT", > you have guys who financially time and again contribute in OB's/OG's > activities, > in emergenicies. WHY THEN ARE WE INTERESTED IN HAVING TO WALK WITH EVERY > ONE > WHEN ITS VERY CLEAR FROM THE ONSET SOME WILL TALK BUT SHY AWAY WHEN IT'S > TIME TO > WALK THE TALK? > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wed, 6 April, 2011 12:00:02 > Subject: WestNileNet Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 > > Send WestNileNet mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WestNileNet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Conspirancy of silence (alaka caleb) > 2. Re: Conspirancy of silence (Patrick Anguti) > 3. Re: Conspirancy of silence (aggrey adrale) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:18:46 +0300 > From: alaka caleb <[email protected]> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> > Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Dear members, > > Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of > subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile > Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some > even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the > memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested > that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have > no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or > move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this > idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good > ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science > Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we > actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, > when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of > our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host > the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server > from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity > and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have > had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and > the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful > to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful > without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. > Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls > organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes > and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have > no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership > accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has > contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We > resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other > regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to > ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we > are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they > were not as enlightened as we are. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:42:24 +0300 > From: Patrick Anguti <[email protected]> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Dear all, > I think Caleb has raised a point we seriously need to think about. We > always > discuss fruitful ideas on this forum with no results. We have come up with > several ideas that remain on this page. > It's really time we get a way forward or else we just gona waste our time. > > Anyway, for those of you who are willing to plant their own trees, UEDCL is > in the process of starting an outgrower scheme where we shall give you > seedlings for planting, and then u raise the trees and sell to us at the > current market price. Am trying to work out a moderlity where you can also > be given some money for maintenance but it will be deducted at the time of > harvest. > > We are also looking for large land for afforestation. It should be about > 125acres onwards in East, Central, West and North. If u have friends who > have such land, we will be willing to buy. > > I also carryout plantation establishment and management for private > individual under my company Delpat Consult(U) Ltd. Through that am > available. > > Regards, > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:18 AM, alaka caleb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dear members, > > > > Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on payment of > > subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West Nile > > Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several members. Some > > even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, the > > memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other members suggested > > that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result to-date we have > > no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't implement or > > move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all abandon this > > idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted all good > > ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even the Science > > Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are comfortable and we > > actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian organizations, > > when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor the idea of > > our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money to host > > the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import a server > > from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their magnanimity > > and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we should have > > had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile Foundation and > > the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us were useful > > to our community without these organizations, We can still be useful > > without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the Foundation. > > Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old boys/girls > > organizations in our old schools were we are more comfortable, tribes > > and probably religion. Without payment of subscription fees, we have > > no right to belong to and hold an organization and its leadership > > accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has > > contributions by some members let him arrange to refund them. We > > resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and now other > > regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We lied to > > ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this rate we > > are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) relatives. For they > > were not as enlightened as we are. > > _______________________________________________ > > WestNileNet mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > All Archives can be found at > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any > way. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > -- > Patrick Anguti > Forest Officer > Uganda Electricity Distribution Company Limited > P O Box 7390, kampala > Tel: +256-312-330300 > Fax: +256-414-255600 > Mob: +256-772-929633 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > < > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/private/westnilenet/attachments/20110406/f8949352/attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 09:42:17 +0100 (BST) > From: aggrey adrale <[email protected]> > To: A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi Caleb, > > Calm down and tone down! > > The issues you have expressed on the various opinions and sentiments of > 'members' of the West Nile Foundation/Forum can still be resolved in one > way or > the other. True to the sense we are averse to big gatherings beyond our > micro-social barriers. How I wish we could turn up to calls for meetings > like we > turn up for meat-eatings. > > Anyhow these and other sentiments are the complexities of a diverse > society. > > My Brother Caleb, kindly do not throw in the towel...it may be the worst > thing > to do. I think there are still people out there, including you and me, who > can > take one more stride. Perhaps we need a third person to fulfill God's > quorum of > three...and He will be in the midst. > > Just make the third-last call for an open meeting to re-present, discuss > and > adopt the documentary instruments and prospective projects of the proposed > West > Nile Foundation. Circulate that call on the net and let 'members' confirm > their > attendance on line. Even if 10 persons gather, let's find room to formally > adopt > these instruments by physically appending our signatures to them and we > move on. > > Over to you my Brother... > > Aggrey Adrale > > --- On Wed, 6/4/11, alaka caleb <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: alaka caleb <[email protected]> > > Subject: [WestNileNet] Conspirancy of silence > > To: "A Virtual Network for friends of West Nile" <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, 6 April, 2011, 9:18 > > Dear members, > > > > Some time last year, we tried to build a consensus on > > payment of > > subscription fees of 50,000/= Uganda Shillings for West > > Nile > > Foundation. This idea was vehemently opposed by several > > members. Some > > even pretended that they had never seen the strategic plan, > > the > > memorandum and articles of association of WNF. Other > > members suggested > > that we should go slow on issues of money. As a result > > to-date we have > > no secretariat to co-ordinate our activities. We can't > > implement or > > move any thing. Members what do we do?. Should we all > > abandon this > > idea of having an umbrella organization. We have resisted > > all good > > ideas, from West Nile night, the Investment Club, and even > > the Science > > Cafe which records miserable attendances. We are > > comfortable and we > > actively involve our selves in smaller or sectarian > > organizations, > > when it comes to the bigger picture we sit back and savor > > the idea of > > our leaders failing. We have forgotten that Kigs uses money > > to host > > the West Nile net. He and Gordon Obitre-Gama had to import > > a server > > from USA to host the net. We have taken advantage of their > > magnanimity > > and abused it. What if they one time get fed up. By now we > > should have > > had our own website. I think the idea of a West Nile > > Foundation and > > the West Nile Net or forum should be discarded. Some of us > > were useful > > to our community without these organizations,? We can > > still be useful > > without them. Lets agree to dissolve the Forum and the > > Foundation. > > Lets concentrate on our Local Counties, Districts, Old > > boys/girls > > organizations in our old schools were we are more > > comfortable, tribes > > and probably religion. Without payment of subscription > > fees, we have > > no right to belong to and hold an organization and its > > leadership > > accountable. Lets wind up the WNF and if our treasurer has > > contributions by some members let him arrange to refund > > them. We > > resisted the idea of a Ministry for West Nile affairs and > > now other > > regions have Ministries. West Nile doesn't deserve us. We > > lied to > > ourselves that we are of the Golden generation. But at this > > rate we > > are worse than our ' Kasamvu' (Sugar cane cutter) > > relatives. For they > > were not as? enlightened as we are. > > _______________________________________________ > > WestNileNet mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted > > them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not > > responsible for them in any way. > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > [email protected] > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > > End of WestNileNet Digest, Vol 32, Issue 10 > ******************************************* > > _______________________________________________ > WestNileNet mailing list > [email protected] > http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet > > WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ > > All Archives can be found at > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including > attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. > _______________________________________________ >
_______________________________________________ WestNileNet mailing list [email protected] http://orion.kym.net/mailman/listinfo/westnilenet WestNileNet is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ All Archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. _______________________________________________
