Ian,
> Your requirements aren't met by framesets
Eh? Our solution meets the requirement and uses framesets.
> <iframe>s have been demonstrated to work as well as framesets
No-one's been able to point to a working non-frameset solution that
meets this requirement.
>, and, well, framesets suck.
Unargued, subjective.
>I agree that there's
>lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they
>should work (in more detail than any previous spec!).
?! According to
http://www.html5code.com/index.php/html-5-tags/html-5-frameset-tag/,
"The frameset tag is not supported in HTML 5."
>The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be
>resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently.
Unsubstantiated claim absent a working example of the spec implemented
without framesets.
>As noted before,
>though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good
solution
>for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore,
that's
>a styling issue, not an HTML issue.
For those who have to write or generate HTML, that's a distinction
without a difference.
PB
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Ian Hickson wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009, Peter Brawley wrote:
I don't know if there are pages that do this (and I sure hope none are
using <table> for it!), but the lack of an existence proof is not
proof of the lack of existence.
Of course. The point is if no-one can point to a working iframes
solution, ie, to an instance of them actually being preferred, the claim
that iframes provide a preferable alternative is simply not credible, to
put it mildly.
At this point I don't really understand what you want framesets for. Your
requirements aren't met by framesets, <iframe>s have been demonstrated to
work as well as framesets, and, well, framesets suck. I agree that there's
lots of legacy content using framesets; that's why HTML5 defines how they
should work (in more detail than any previous spec!). But that doesn't
mean we should encourage them.
The only thing that is easier with framesets than otherwise appears to be
resizing, which I agree is not well-handled currently. As noted before,
though, that's an issue for more than just frames; we need a good solution
for this in general, whether we have framesets or not. Furthermore, that's
a styling issue, not an HTML issue.
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