On Jun 5, 2014, at 22:08, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Nils Dagsson Moskopp
> <n...@dieweltistgarnichtso.net> wrote:
>> Brett Zamir <bret...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> On 6/5/2014 3:05 AM, whatwg-requ...@lists.whatwg.org wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:26 AM, Daniel Morris
>>>> <daniel+wha...@honestempire.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> With existing assistive technology such as screen readers, and more
>>>>> recently the pervasiveness of new technologies such as Siri and Google
>>>>> Now to name two examples, I have been thinking about the
>>>>> appropriateness and potential of having a way to represent the
>>>>> pronunciation of words on a web page.
>>>>> There is currently no other text-level semantic that I know of for
>>>>> pronunciation, but we have elements for abbreviation and definition.
>>>>> As an initial suggestion:
>>>>> <pronounce ipa=??a?p?d?>iPad</pronounce>
>>>>> (Where the `ipa` attribute is the pronunciation using the
>>>>> International Phonetic Alphabet.)
>>>>> What are your thoughts on this, or does something already exist that I
>>>>> am not aware of?
>>>> This is already theoretically addressed by <link rel=pronunciation>,
>>>> linking to a well-defined pronunciation file format.  Nobody
>>>> implements that, but nobody implements anything new either, of course.
>>> I think it'd be a lot easier for sites, say along the lines of
>>> Wikipedia, to support inline markup to allow users to get a word
>>> referenced at the beginning of an article, for example, pronounced
>>> accurately.
>> Is there any reason one cannot use the <ruby> element for pronunciation?
>> Example:
>> <ruby>Elfriede Jelinek<rp> (</rp><rt>ɛlˈfʀiːdə ˈjɛlinɛk</rt><rp>) 
>> </rp></ruby>
> That's adequate for visually providing the pronunciation, but I think
> the original request was for a way to tell screen readers and similar
> tools how to pronounce an unfamiliar word.

True, but one could still use <ruby> for its semantics, and visually use the 
CSS to hide the pronunciations:

  rp, rt, rtc { display: none; }

Screen readers may have supported reading text in <rt> instead of its base text 
when they supported Japanese. At least some screen readers in Japan does this.


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