On 3/8/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> first of all this has nothing to do with a "power play". it has to do with a > simple fact that betas are meant to be stable releases that users can > develop against without worrying much about us pulling stuff from under > them. Threatening to veto is power play.
it is not a threat. i am still allowed to vote any way i choose no?
Also, I don't agree with your definition of beta being non-breaking. You are in fact contradicting most of your own behavior in the project.
really? point me to a place in code where i introduced an api change that breaks all clients in a beta that we knew was coming before we release the beta. it is ok to break minor things. but if we know a big all-client breaking change is coming we should hold off.
from the list i gather there is a large number of users that are waiting for > a beta before they start upgrading their projects for the above reason. Not many oppose the model change so far though. It should be quite an easy change for most occasions really. I think you and Al are making it larger than it really is.
i dont think it is necessarily a big deal, but we should not make a release if we know this is coming. Don't underestimate the amount of work that goes into rewriting and
checking half a book of code example, ALL the wicket-stuff projects I converted, MOST of the other wicket projects I converted. We can all feel the pain here, and it is great that at least we tried to come up with the best solution and worked hard on trying to realize it. But we also have to admit that this whole situation is pretty amateuristic, and is not something we should repeat in the future.
i dont think there is anything mateuristic about this. it is the way of software development. sometimes you try things that take a long time to realize were not that great.
The fact that the rest of the team +1-ed on it, makes us all responsible yes. But +1 a proposal is something else than actively advocating it and I currently feel kind of had to be slapped back for giving my support in the past.
this is bullshit. you evaluated it didnt you? or did you give a blind +1 vote? so now i am pretty much blamed for trying to come up with solutions to problems. thats great. -igor Eelco
