Martijn Dashorst wrote:
I think there are different types of designers... Our company design
team (2 people) use photoshop to create the design, and one of them
transforms that into HTML + CSS + JavaScript for a mockup website.
Well, the first is the creative designer. This guys is drawing the
picture. The WEB designer must be capable of turning that into whatever
(X)HTML versione you want + CSS + Javascript or whatever. I've rarely
seen a guy able to fullfill both the above roles. That's because the
creative designers tend to be (some think that they are :-D ) somewhat
of an artist, they have few clues on how to actually implement what
they've just drawn. On the other hand the WEB designer has too few clues
on how to draw a nice WEB GUI but given one (a picture, a PSD file,
whatever), he'll transpose that into HTML markup + css + javascript or
whatever. It would be the ideal case when one single person could do the
both as it would be ideal that the same guy does the Java programming
:-D. Unfortunatelly that is far from reality and I think that it is not
even desirable.
This is then presented to our customer, and then turned over to the
development team.
We are fortunate that our HTML designer is very capable of CSS + HTML
and that gives very clean markup. We are also fortunate that the
designer doesn't shy away from CVS usage.
There's a big difference between a frontpage designer and a web
designer knowing what he is producing. The difference is the same as
between the 'VB code monkeys' and a pragmatic programmer. The former
only knows how to press buttons and make pretty pictures, but hasn't
got a clue as to what happens in the background. The latter is a true
craftsman, preciously working on his skills to improve himself, his
knowledge and the products he's producing.
Martijn
On 12/12/05, *Michael Jouravlev* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
On 12/11/05, Andrew Lombardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
> Programmers work in Java, Designers work in HTML, wicket follows the
> separation of concerns fairly eloquently.
This is a wrong principle. Modern-day web programming is not a CGI
script + HTML 2.0. Web browsers are capable of Javascript, DOM, CSS,
XML parsing, XSLT and other stuff. Designers cannot do that. This is
programmers' job. Never before web dev was so fun (and gore) as it in
last two-three years. And it will get better. That is why I think that
JSF and such are very unflexible, they spit out predefined HTML,
sometimes not really pretty one, and they do not allow to use the
full
power of modern client web development.
Michael.
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