We left codehaus because at that time we had some issues with the
support. They didn't respond in time and somtimes not at all. But
Martjin may give you more details

Juergen

On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Igor,
>
> Cool.
>
> I'm trying to find the right venue for open sourcing
> Shades, and for putting up the javadocs, etc. I was
> wondering why you guys left codehaus?
>
> -geoff
>
> --- Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > ive read your blog, and agree with some points you
> > make about full orm
> > solutions. but as i said i couldnt grasp everything
> > from looking at the code
> > youve provided. are you planning on writing
> > tutorials for shades in the near
> > future as it sounds appealing.
> >
> > -Igor
> >
> >
> > On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sure - but honestly I don't want to convince
> > anyone
> > > they need Shades.
> > >
> > > One problem I found with JDO was that the
> > > PersistenceManager was not serializable. Another
> > is
> > > that detachment had to be handled explicitely.
> > >
> > > In Shades all pojo's are inherently detached.
> > Change
> > > tracking is automagic. The DatabaseSession is
> > > ultra-leightweight and totally appropriate for
> > keeping
> > > in a Session.
> > >
> > > A big innovation in Shades is how identity is
> > handled
> > > - that really solved a lot of problems for me
> > related
> > > to change of identity within transactions.
> > Identity is
> > > a much more fluid concept in Shades, due to the
> > > dynamic ORMapping interface, which you can even
> > > implement on the fly as an anonynmous inner class.
> > >
> > > To be clear, I found ways to make JDO work just
> > fine
> > > with Wicket. Certainly JDO was a huge step forward
> > in
> > > making it easier to use Pojo-based frameworks like
> > > Wicket.
> > >
> > > I blogged a bit on my motivation for Shades:
> > > http://notskateboarding.blogspot.com/
> > >
> > > -geoff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Igor Vaynberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > i glanced over the code - but i dont get it
> > after
> > > > the first glance. perhaps
> > > > you can explain what difficulties you hit when
> > using
> > > > wicket and an orm to
> > > > help us better understand.
> > > >
> > > > seems to me like you are trying to work with a
> > ui
> > > > connected to a persistence
> > > > layer - without a service layer in between. have
> > you
> > > > seen databinder which
> > > > glues wicket and hibernate together?
> > > >
> > > > also your point about wicket and tapestry -
> > wicket
> > > > is much more flexible
> > > > because it has IModel which gives you an extra
> > layer
> > > > of indirection that can
> > > > hide a lot of orm logic and make the code
> > > > cleaner/easier.
> > > >
> > > > -Igor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 8/26/06, Geoff hendrey
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was one of the early users of Wicket before
> > 1.0.
> > > > I
> > > > > did a lot of work to use Wicket with my JDO
> > > > > implementation JDOMax (no longer supported).
> > In
> > > > the
> > > > > process I learned a lot about why it is harder
> > > > than it
> > > > > has to be to use many ORM frameworks with
> > Wicket
> > > > and
> > > > > Tapestry.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm a member of JSR 243 Java Data Objects
> > Experts
> > > > > Group, and I advocated hard within that spec
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > "fixing" of the JDO spec with regard to
> > > > > non-transaction-write behavior, along with
> > Eric
> > > > Samson
> > > > > and others. The JDO group  was receptive,
> > having
> > > > > gotten similar feedback from Howard Lewis Ship
> > of
> > > > > Tapestry. I believe this change will benefit
> > > > Wicket
> > > > > users, and make it much easier to use JDO 2.0
> > than
> > > > JDO
> > > > > 1.1, from Wicket.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, I still wasn't satisfied that it was
> > > > "easy"
> > > > > to do ORM from Wicket or Tapestry. So I
> > started a
> > > > new
> > > > > project, based on what I learned -- it's a
> > better
> > > > way
> > > > > to do ORM -- I call it Shades. Following the
> > > > wicket
> > > > > style,Shades works without any XML
> > configuration.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rather than make this any longer-winded, I
> > thought
> > > > I
> > > > > would just begin passing back some code,
> > showing
> > > > the
> > > > > Library sample application using Shades. The
> > > > attached
> > > > > zipfile is just the "library" folder from the
> > > > wicket
> > > > > sample applications. EditBook.java and
> > > > > LibrarySession.java have been altered to use
> > > > Shades
> > > > > for database access. LibraryORMDictionary.java
> > is
> > > > the
> > > > > only new file required.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please let me know what you think. Also, I do
> > not
> > > > have
> > > > > a website for Shades yet but I hope to find
> > the
> > > > right
> > > > > venue for open sourcing the code soon. (see
> > > > attached
> > > > > zip file 'library.zippo' with library-example
> > > > directory)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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