why not just make them static?

you want the nonstatic loggers so you can get better context, but we dont
need better context! for us classname:linenumber is enough. so in the
framework we can use the static instances. if a user wants better context
then their loggers can be non-static.

-igor


On 4/26/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

yeah, so it either more efficient in terms of processing (reusing the
member var) or in memory (not keep the member var).

Eelco

On 4/26/07, Johan Compagner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> but not for Wicket components, an instance log field in Component (or
> other base wicket class)
> will be a memory slot for every wicket component instance...
>
> johan
>
>
> On 4/26/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, that was my point earlier. Or make it a transient with lazy
> > creation as that would be more efficient.
> >
> > Eelco
> >
> >
> > On 4/26/07, Johan Compagner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > But if static logs are really a problem:
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta-commons/Logging/StaticLog
> > >
> > > if would do this:
> > >
> > > private void doSomething()
> > > {
> > >    /// foo
> > >    LogFactory.getLog(Xxx.class).debug("blaat")
> > >    // bar
> > > }
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > private void doSomething()
> > > {
> > >    /// foo
> > >   getLog().debug("blaat");
> > >    // bar
> > > }
> > >
> > > private Log getLog()
> > > {
> > >     return  LogFactory.getLog(Xxx.class);
> > > }
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/26/07, Johan Compagner < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > since when does a logger have state?
> > > > I am very interrested to know what it is that a logger isn't
> > > > thread safe.
> > > > You configure it through the constructor (so i guess assign final
> > > > fields)
> > > > you don't set any variables after that on it. And you call only
> > > > info/error with 1 or to params.... that it needs to log!
> > > >
> > > > johan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 4/26/07, Matej Knopp < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yeah, if it really should be a member variable (which makes
> > > > > sense when logger is not thread safe), it probably could be something 
like
> > > > > this:
> > > > >
> > > > > private transient Logger logger;
> > > > >
> > > > > private Logger getLogger() {
> > > > >   if (logger == null) <initializeLogger>;
> > > > >  return logger;
> > > > > }
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/26/07, Eelco Hillenius < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What's the stack trace you get when you use normal
> > > > > > serialization? It should point you to an offending field.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you only get it with JCL, there is probably something in
> > > > > > JCL that isn't serializable. You should consider either making it a 
static
> > > > > > variable, getting it only when you need it (don't hold a reference, 
which is
> > > > > > probably quite inefficient), or store it as a transient field, and
> > > > > > initiatlize it lazily (check on null) so that it won't be 
serialized. More
> > > > > > work but safe. If you choose the latter, be sure to always do the 
null
> > > > > > check, as serializaing/ deserializing will null the reference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Eelco
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/25/07, Bjön Limell < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Maybe I was a bit unclear.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The problem only occurs when you're using jcl104-over-slf4j
> > > > > > > (JCL's Log not slf4j's Logger).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JCL104-over-slf4j just enables you to use old 'Log log =
> > > > > > > LogFactory.getLog ()' with slf4j (without classloading
> > > > > > > issues etc)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ps. Same problem with Objects.setObjectStreamFactory(...);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 4/25/07, Justin Morgan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Just a data point...I am using the Wicket 1.3 snapshot
> > > > > > > > jars along with SLF4J with no problems; my pages log just fine. 
 The
> > > > > > > > underlying logging implementation I'm using is the Log4J (
> > > > > > > > v1.2) logging system.  So far I really like slf4j, BTW.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Justin
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  *"Bjön Limell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
> > > > > > > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 04/25/2007 11:57 AM  Please respond to
> > > > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   To
> > > > > > > > [email protected]  cc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  Subject
> > > > > > > > Re: [Wicket-user] SLF4J and wicket
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > btw, im using 1.3.0-incubating-SNAPSHOT
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 4/25/07, Bjön Limell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Sure!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ERROR org.apache.wicket.util.lang.Objects
> > > > > > > > >  "Error serializing object class 
test.page.SignInPage[object=[Page
> > > > > > > > > class = test.page.SignInPage, id = 1, version = 0]]"
> > > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.io.WicketSerializeableException:
> > > > > > > > No
> > > > > > > > > Serializable constructor found for class
> > > > > > > > > org.apache.commons.logging.impl.SLF4JLocationAwareLog
> > > > > > > > > test.page.SignInPage->log
> > > > > > > > > NOTE: if you feel Wicket is at fault with this
> > > > > > > > exception, please
> > > > > > > > > report to the mailing list. You can switch to JDK based
> > > > > > > > serialization
> > > > > > > > > by calling:
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.lang.Objects.setObjectStreamFactory
> > > > > > > > (new
> > > > > > > > > IObjectStreamFactory.DefaultObjectStreamFactory()) e.g.
> > > > > > > > in the init
> > > > > > > > > method of your application
> > > > > > > > >         at org.apache.wicket.util.io.ClassStreamHandler
> > > > > > > > .<init>(ClassStreamHandler.java:252)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.io.ClassStreamHandler.lookup(
> > > > > > > > ClassStreamHandler.java:116)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > 
org.apache.wicket.util.io.WicketObjectOutputStream.writeObjectOverride
> > > > > > > > (WicketObjectOutputStream.java:752)
> > > > > > > > >         at java.io.ObjectOutputStream.writeObject(
> > > > > > > > ObjectOutputStream.java:322)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > 
org.apache.wicket.util.io.ClassStreamHandler$ObjectFieldAndIndex.writeField
> > > > > > > > (ClassStreamHandler.java:862)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.io.ClassStreamHandler.writeFields(
> > > > > > > > ClassStreamHandler.java:387)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > 
org.apache.wicket.util.io.WicketObjectOutputStream.writeObjectOverride
> > > > > > > > (WicketObjectOutputStream.java:779)
> > > > > > > > >         at java.io.ObjectOutputStream.writeObject(
> > > > > > > > ObjectOutputStream.java:322)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.lang.Objects.objectToByteArray(
> > > > > > > > Objects.java:1102)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.protocol.http.FilePageStore.serializePage
> > > > > > > > (FilePageStore.java:651)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.protocol.http.FilePageStore.access$900(
> > > > > > > > FilePageStore.java:49)
> > > > > > > > >         at
> > > > > > > > 
org.apache.wicket.protocol.http.FilePageStore$PageSerializingThread.run
> > > > > > > > (FilePageStore.java:237)
> > > > > > > > >         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ps. thanks for the SUPER quick response!! ;)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 4/25/07, Eelco Hillenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > It might be a bug in our custom serialization. Could
> > > > > > > > you please paste
> > > > > > > > > > the full stack trace please?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Eelco
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/25/07, Bjön Limell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyone had success with slf4j and wicket pages?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Im getting serializeable exceptions with
> > > > > > > > jcl104-over-slf4j-1.3.1.jar:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > org.apache.wicket.util.io.WicketSerializeableException: No
> > > > > > > > > > > Serializable constructor found for class
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > org.apache.commons.logging.impl.SLF4JLocationAwareLog
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At the moment I dont need to cluster, but im not
> > > > > > > > sure how its gonna be
> > > > > > > > > > > later on...
> > > > > > > > > > >
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