So far we just published NMR in metallic gallides, and papers on some
AlSc-Heuslers and Y-intermetallics are on the way.
But we did not specifically check the susceptibilities ....
On 05/09/2017 03:37 PM, Fecher, Gerhard wrote:
Dear Peter,
thanks for the references,
I was not aware that they contain calculations of the susceptibility, probably
because it is not mentioned in title or abstract.
The JPCC contains metallic elements, do you (or anyone else) have also
experience with the susceptibilities for metallic compounds ?
2 Million k-points seems to be very brute force.
Ciao
Gerhard
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JPCC 119, 19390 (2015) for simple metals and
PRB 89, 014402 (2014) for insulators
On 05/09/2017 12:56 PM, pieper wrote:
In general I am as afraid as Gerhard Fecher that this question is at
least very difficult to answer. By definition one needs to calculate the
low field response of the electrons, and there is a whole bunch of
contributions, from the single electron orbital and spin-Pauli
contributions Peter mentions to quasiparticle contributions that are in
my understanding simply not present in the ground state calculated by
DFT. And there are questions of ground states with spin corelations,
temperature and field dependencies leading to changes from overall
paramagnetic to diamagnetic response ...
Reading Peters response I wonder about even a single electron
contribution and the NMR package in the case of metals: Does this
package calculate only the (paramagnetic) Pauli spin susceptibility? Or
is their Landau diamagnetism also included? For free electrons it
amounts to 1/3 of the Pauli spin susceptibility (see your favorite
textbook on the theory magnetism), so it is by no means safe to simply
assume its small.
Greetings,
Martin Pieper
Am 08.05.2017 20:19, schrieb Peter Blaha:
In an insulator/semiconductor you have only the orbital part of the
susceptibility. This can be calculated using our NMR package and such
a material will be diamagnetic.
In metals you have in addition a spin suszeptibility, which you can
trivially calculate using spin-polarized calc. and an external field.
Usually this part is paramagnetic. And then you have to see, which
part dominates ....
See also our NMR package.
Am 08.05.2017 um 16:28 schrieb Fecher, Gerhard:
I am afraid that this question can not be answered
and I doubt if any answer on this can be generalised to all kinds of
materials.
As an experimentalist my answer will be: measure the susceptibility
and it will tell you what your material is.
As you do not apply any magnetic field in your (non-spinpolarized)
calculation, the induced magnetic moment will be zero
and a) tells you that this is true for both, diamagnetic or paramagnetic
What about b) ?
I tried it for Pt and indeed I find that the application of a
magnetic field induces a magnetic moment (spin polarized calculation !)
that is parallel to the applied field, and linearly dependent on its
size, as expected for a paramagnet.
However, I did not check whether the electrons in the closed shells
behave diamagnetic as they should.
I doubt that this will work for all materials as in most cases the
induced moment will be just to low to decide even if you use brute
force (very high field, very much k-points etc.)
If a ferro- or other "magnetic" solution is close, then the
application of the field may break the symmetry in such a way that
you run into this state instead of staying in the paramagnetic state.
Diamagnetism will probably not bee seen in Semiconductors.
You may try semimetallic graphite which is a "strong" diamagnet to
see whether it is possible to see any antiparallel allignment of
induced magnetic moments.
I did not further check, maybe there are some codes available to
calculate the suscebtibility of para- or diamagnetic materials.
Ciao
Gerhard
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is that you have never actually known what the question is."
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Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry
Johannes Gutenberg - University
55099 Mainz
and
Max Planck Institute for Chemical Physics of Solids
01187 Dresden
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Thank you very much for your answer
I started a calculation in several magnetic phases (non-magnetic,
ferromagnetic and antiferromagnetic) and I found that the
non-magnetic phase is the most stable. so how can I know if the
studied material is a paramagnetic or diamagnetic material?
Thank you in advance
2017-05-08 8:06 GMT+02:00 Fecher, Gerhard
<fec...@uni-mainz.de<mailto:fec...@uni-mainz.de>>:
What distinguishes a paramagnetic from a diamagnetic material ?
a) at zero magnetic field the induced magnetic moment is zero for both
b) at external magnetic field the induced magnetiuc moment is
parallel / antiparallel to the applied field.
c) both is true
d) none is true
There was already a discussion about paramagnetism, see
https://www.mail-archive.com/wien@zeus.theochem.tuwien.ac.at/msg15029.html
Ciao
Gerhard
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Institut of Inorganic and Analytical Chemistry
Johannes Gutenberg - University
55099 Mainz
and
Max Planck Institute for Chemical Physics of Solids
01187 Dresden
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Dear Wien2k users:
How I can know if the material is paramagnetic or diamagnetic with a
calculation.?
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