Piotr's evaluation is very much in tone with what happens in Brazil, where all journals are open access.
For journal publishing tools, most journals here use the Public Knowledge Project: http://pkp.sfu.ca/. I would also refer to you the SCIELO project (again?): http://www.scielo.org/php/index.php. Indeed, costs would include revising, copydesk and page design - usually covered here by a grant for a graduate student. Juliana. -- Profa. Dra. Juliana Bastos Marques Departamento de História - CCH/UNIRIO http://historiaunirio.com.br/ http://www.historiaunirio.com.br/numem/pesquisadores/julianamarques/ http://www.domusaurea.org/ On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: > Bills for what? > > Dead tree publication? Obsolete, switch to print on demand. > > Online publication? Once you have free access (no need to set up a "web > shop" and collect money), web publishing is relatively simple. Hundreds of > thousands if not millions have created web pages, and it is much easier to > do so now than it was in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if there already > was an OA journal friendly host and/or website creation kit; if there > isn't, creating one wouldn't be a major problem (for the kit, free hosts > like Google Sites are even less of an issue). If a given editing team has > next to zero Internet literacy, ask among the grad students (hire one or > get them to volunteer). > > Labor? As in authors? Editors? Reviewers? It's not like they are being > paid under a current model. > > To sum it up, the only real cost associated with journal publishing is > that of a single grad student who acts as an assistant/managing editor. > That's the cost of about $1,000-$1,500 a month. That doesn't seem terrible, > considering the potential sources of funding (universities, grants, > professional associations and donations). And as much as I hate to say it, > if this amount is really a problem (let the slaving grads starve...), that > job could be outsourced for a fraction of that cost to somebody through the > Internet freelancing portals. Consider that you can hire people for $20-$30 > an hour for such tasks, and consider how many hours really go into this > kind of a job... > > > -- > Piotr Konieczny > > "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on > one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski > > > > On 5/21/2012 2:01 AM, Richard Jensen wrote: > >> Sorry Dario, you need to look at it from the editors' and scholarls >> point of view and not say you are thinking of the "taxpayer"--journal >> prices have gone up but taxes have gone down, so that's not a real issue. >> I've been on the editorial boards of eight scholarly journals & all would >> be in real trouble on free access. Who would pay their bills? Who would >> pay their grad students? Already they are threatened by declining >> university budgets and losing the subscription base would be a terrific >> blow. "Access for the "taxpayers" / "taxpayers pay twice" is a rhetorical >> tool designed to defund science. It is the professors and graduate students >> who need the journals and who would be hurt when they close. >> >> Richard Jensen >> >> At 11:45 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote: >> >>> With all due respect, your statement is simply false and ill-informed. >>> The NIH as well as a growing number of large research institutions and >>> funding bodies worldwide has been mandating open access for 4 years and >>> I'd like to see any evidence that this is "destroying peer review". There >>> are many sustainable open access models that publishers and scholarly >>> societies are adopting, the only thing this campaign is threatening is the >>> taxpayer's obligation to pay twice for research they have already funded. >>> >>> Best, >>> Dario >>> >>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Richard Jensen wrote: >>> >>> > that's a bad idea--it will destroy the financial base of thousands of >>> journals and throw the whole science community into turmoil for years as >>> the main quality control system --peer review--is destroyed. >>> > >>> > The alternative of direct government subsidy of journals is even more >>> dangerous, as it will give politicians control over what gets published. >>> > >>> > Richard Jensen >>> > >>> > At 11:19 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote: >>> >> (apologies for cross-posting) >>> >> >>> >> A petition you should care about: require free access over the >>> Internet to journal articles arising from taxpayer-funded research. >>> >> >>> >> http://access2research.org/ >>> >> http://wh.gov/6TH >>> >> >>> >> 25,000 signatures in 30 days (by June 19) gets an official response >>> from the White House. >>> >> >>> >> Dario >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>> >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> >> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>> > Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> > Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >> >> > ______________________________**_________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >
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