Dear all, After reading some of the diverse practices in the world regarding open access, allow me share with you one experience that I have with the paid access one. One of the interesting online business in mainland China is selling some kind of grey-access to all major journals/academic databases and even some US university VPN access. I am not sure whether the business model is legitimate. Still many university students can buy them easily online, even pay for access just for a month. My guess is that they expand the business model in selling China's own knowledge database called CNKI. Just give you one example of this as below: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=9171367599 Taobao is the equivalent of ebay in China. Best, han-teng liao
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Juliana Bastos <[email protected]>wrote: > Piotr's evaluation is very much in tone with what happens in Brazil, where > all journals are open access. > > For journal publishing tools, most journals here use the Public Knowledge > Project: http://pkp.sfu.ca/. I would also refer to you the SCIELO project > (again?): http://www.scielo.org/php/index.php. > > Indeed, costs would include revising, copydesk and page design - usually > covered here by a grant for a graduate student. > > Juliana. > > -- > Profa. Dra. Juliana Bastos Marques > Departamento de História - CCH/UNIRIO > > http://historiaunirio.com.br/ > http://www.historiaunirio.com.br/numem/pesquisadores/julianamarques/ > http://www.domusaurea.org/ > > > > On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Piotr Konieczny <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Bills for what? >> >> Dead tree publication? Obsolete, switch to print on demand. >> >> Online publication? Once you have free access (no need to set up a "web >> shop" and collect money), web publishing is relatively simple. Hundreds of >> thousands if not millions have created web pages, and it is much easier to >> do so now than it was in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if there already >> was an OA journal friendly host and/or website creation kit; if there >> isn't, creating one wouldn't be a major problem (for the kit, free hosts >> like Google Sites are even less of an issue). If a given editing team has >> next to zero Internet literacy, ask among the grad students (hire one or >> get them to volunteer). >> >> Labor? As in authors? Editors? Reviewers? It's not like they are being >> paid under a current model. >> >> To sum it up, the only real cost associated with journal publishing is >> that of a single grad student who acts as an assistant/managing editor. >> That's the cost of about $1,000-$1,500 a month. That doesn't seem terrible, >> considering the potential sources of funding (universities, grants, >> professional associations and donations). And as much as I hate to say it, >> if this amount is really a problem (let the slaving grads starve...), that >> job could be outsourced for a fraction of that cost to somebody through the >> Internet freelancing portals. Consider that you can hire people for $20-$30 >> an hour for such tasks, and consider how many hours really go into this >> kind of a job... >> >> >> -- >> Piotr Konieczny >> >> "To be defeated and not submit, is victory; to be victorious and rest on >> one's laurels, is defeat." --Józef Pilsudski >> >> >> >> On 5/21/2012 2:01 AM, Richard Jensen wrote: >> >>> Sorry Dario, you need to look at it from the editors' and scholarls >>> point of view and not say you are thinking of the "taxpayer"--journal >>> prices have gone up but taxes have gone down, so that's not a real issue. >>> I've been on the editorial boards of eight scholarly journals & all would >>> be in real trouble on free access. Who would pay their bills? Who would >>> pay their grad students? Already they are threatened by declining >>> university budgets and losing the subscription base would be a terrific >>> blow. "Access for the "taxpayers" / "taxpayers pay twice" is a rhetorical >>> tool designed to defund science. It is the professors and graduate students >>> who need the journals and who would be hurt when they close. >>> >>> Richard Jensen >>> >>> At 11:45 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote: >>> >>>> With all due respect, your statement is simply false and ill-informed. >>>> The NIH as well as a growing number of large research institutions and >>>> funding bodies worldwide has been mandating open access for 4 years and >>>> I'd like to see any evidence that this is "destroying peer review". There >>>> are many sustainable open access models that publishers and scholarly >>>> societies are adopting, the only thing this campaign is threatening is the >>>> taxpayer's obligation to pay twice for research they have already funded. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Dario >>>> >>>> On May 20, 2012, at 10:30 PM, Richard Jensen wrote: >>>> >>>> > that's a bad idea--it will destroy the financial base of thousands of >>>> journals and throw the whole science community into turmoil for years as >>>> the main quality control system --peer review--is destroyed. >>>> > >>>> > The alternative of direct government subsidy of journals is even more >>>> dangerous, as it will give politicians control over what gets published. >>>> > >>>> > Richard Jensen >>>> > >>>> > At 11:19 PM 5/20/2012, you wrote: >>>> >> (apologies for cross-posting) >>>> >> >>>> >> A petition you should care about: require free access over the >>>> Internet to journal articles arising from taxpayer-funded research. >>>> >> >>>> >> http://access2research.org/ >>>> >> http://wh.gov/6TH >>>> >> >>>> >> 25,000 signatures in 30 days (by June 19) gets an official response >>>> from the White House. >>>> >> >>>> >> Dario >>>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> >> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > ______________________________**_________________ >>>> > Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> > Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________**_________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________**_________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >>> >>> >> ______________________________**_________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.**wikimedia.org<[email protected]> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wiki-**research-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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