Pine - a great question. There's definitely something to the idea of viewing vandal- and spam-fighting as a game with talented, evolving NPCs who learn to counter your tactics; and automation that helps you script and speed up your own work. No work needed to fake that feedback loop or difficulty curve.
Steven: the Getting Started workflow is a perfect example; it's a wonderful and elegant demonstration of guided tours. I wonder if we can we make it easier for community groups to develop their own 2-step "get involved" modules, each taking editors to a random article from some subset, with a few helpful overlays? Each major backlog has a group that cares about it that could help come up with a module for it; similarly the group that discusses Main Page redesigns have had some related discussions about how to showcase the breadth of the project. Where should people leave feedback for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GettingStarted ? Ocaasi (and Lane): the WP Adventure is coming along nicely; best of luck with that. I hope you're able to coordinate your work with the Guided Tours development, so there is a shared roadmap for building a library of tour-templates and styles. SJ On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 1:32 AM, ENWP Pine <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Quim and Sarah, > > I should have worded my question more precisely. I'm asking what Wikimedia > could do to recruit people who play video games on various platforms and in > various types of games (casual, FPS, MMPORG, and so on) so that they convert > the time they currently use for gaming into time spent contributing to > Wikimedia projects of any kind or subject rather than on the important but > narrower subject of video games. For example, what would it take to convert > people who currently play crossword puzzles or Scrabble on their smartphones > into editors of Wiktionary? What would it take to convert people who play > geocaching into photo contributors to Commons? What would it take to convert > FPS gamers into NPP or anti-vandalism editors? > > The people on the Research list are generating a lot of good discussion > about gamification within Wikimedia to encourage more and higher quality > participation, and we're also discussing how to recruit gamers to become new > Wikimedia contributors. Please come over to the thread on Research-l and > let's continue talking there. (: > > Pine > > >> Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 07:31:17 -0700 >> From: Quim Gil <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [EE] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > >> >> On 07/04/2013 12:46 PM, ENWP Pine wrote: >> > I've asked these questions in other ways and places and I'd like to hear >> > what other people on the Research and EE lists think. >> > >> > There are many video game players of diverse ages, genders, languages, >> > and locations. How could Wikimedia editing be made into an appealing >> > activity for people who are currently video gamers? How could Wikimedia >> > market itself to gamers, including console, LAN, FPS, MMORPG, and mobile >> > gamers? >> >> Have you asked at >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games ? >> >> (as an outsider) I would say that gaming in general is pretty well >> covered, at least in comparison with other areas of knowledge. Or what >> would be the reason to target gamers? >> >> Editing per se is not the problem. There is no lack of gamers using >> wikis (and MediaWiki!) e.g. http://www.wikia.com/ or >> http://www.minecraftwiki.net/ . The average gamer probably gets the idea >> of crowdsourcing knowledge pretty well. Those wikis are community wikis >> though, as an editor you won't need to deal (much) with relevance, >> references, POV, essay, etc. I don't know what are the conditions to >> upload copyrighted content but probably these wikis are more permissive >> than Wikimedia's. >> >> Well, I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Move_to_gaming_wiki >> exists for a reason. Maybe if we would send gamers (also) to >> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Games we could keep a bit more >> talent around... >> >> -- >> Quim Gil >> Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation >> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil >> >> > > >> Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:26:14 -0700 >> From: Sarah Stierch <[email protected]> >> To: WMF Editor Engagement Team <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [EE] Recruiting gamers to edit Wikimedia >> Message-ID: >> <cafk0ehvocyv-n5kmchop-c0r7wy649adxmdhg5u+cvbjgha...@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi, >> >> And yes, if you're interested in engaging (or re engaging) with people >> already in the community or who don't edit as frequently perhaps, you can >> contact people who have userboxes on English Wikipedia saying they are >> into >> video games: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Userboxes/Games/Video_games >> >> I do this for women's history projects and programs. I either use >> EdwardsBot and spam them with a template inviting them to something or >> whatever, or invite them individually (more time consuming of course). >> >> Sarah >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > On 07/04/2013 12:46 PM, ENWP Pine wrote: >> > >> >> I've asked these questions in other ways and places and I'd like to >> >> hear >> >> what other people on the Research and EE lists think. >> >> >> >> There are many video game players of diverse ages, genders, languages, >> >> and locations. How could Wikimedia editing be made into an appealing >> >> activity for people who are currently video gamers? How could Wikimedia >> >> market itself to gamers, including console, LAN, FPS, MMORPG, and >> >> mobile >> >> gamers? >> >> >> > >> > Have you asked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/** >> > >> > Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_**games<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Video_games>? >> > >> > (as an outsider) I would say that gaming in general is pretty well >> > covered, at least in comparison with other areas of knowledge. Or what >> > would be the reason to target gamers? >> > >> > Editing per se is not the problem. There is no lack of gamers using >> > wikis >> > (and MediaWiki!) e.g. http://www.wikia.com/ or >> > http://www.minecraftwiki.net/ . The average gamer probably gets the idea >> > of crowdsourcing knowledge pretty well. Those wikis are community wikis >> > though, as an editor you won't need to deal (much) with relevance, >> > references, POV, essay, etc. I don't know what are the conditions to >> > upload >> > copyrighted content but probably these wikis are more permissive than >> > Wikimedia's. >> > >> > Well, I guess >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Template:Move_to_gaming_wiki<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Move_to_gaming_wiki>exists >> > for a reason. Maybe if we would send gamers (also) to >> > >> > http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/**Subject:Games<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Subject:Games>we >> > could keep a bit more talent around... >> > >> > -- >> > Quim Gil >> > Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation >> > >> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgil<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil> >> > >> > ______________________________**_________________ >> > EE mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/ee<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ee> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> *Sarah Stierch** >> Wikimedia Foundation Program Evaluation & Design Community Coordinator >> >> *Donate<http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?title=Donate/en&utm_source=&utm_medium=&utm_campaign=&language=en&uselang=en&country=US&referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Dt%26rct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dweb%26cd%3D1%26ved%3D0CDMQFjAA%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fdonate.wikipedia.org%252F%26ei%3DYpsET93HN6isiQLIoJjSDg%26usg%3DAFQjCNG-7hzT9rkEvAjlNqBIOQ1ZDIpdYA>today >> and keep it free! >> >> Visit me on Wikipedia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SarahStierch>! > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > -- Samuel Klein @metasj w:user:sj +1 617 529 4266 _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
