On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:46 PM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well here you get into a problem with data in the databases. Often the > records for men are more fleshed out than for women. > > Here are two records in the RKD for male and female based on a US-based > husband & wife duo never active in the Netherlands, but who were made > popular (with articles on 4 or more language wikis) by a 2014 movie about > them: > https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296853 > https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/296851 > > The ULAN only has one record > > http://www.getty.edu/vow/ULANFullDisplay?find=&role=&nation=&subjectid=500333900 > > One could argue that there is not enough in any of these records to make a > Wikidata entry, let alone a Wikipedia article in any language. So just > having the record in the ULAN or the RKDartists will not help any > language-pedia. The English Wikipedia includes of course articles for both, > though they are not sourced to these databases at all. > Which only shows that RKD/ULAN are not the basis for Wikipedia articles. Your "example woman" has 13 references: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Keane But, the argument could be made that general coverage on the web is biased towards men, and Wikipedia reflects that trend, if only for a lack of sources. > In comparison, here is a US male artist without any Wikipedia article, > born the same year as Mrs. Keane, whose entry in the RKD is well fleshed > out, because this person was active in Amsterdam > https://rkd.nl/explore/artists/55977 > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Magnus Manske < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Well, a "local bias" would push the total coverage in a certain language, >> as evidences by high nl.wp coverage for RKD but not for ULAN. But how would >> that affect the gender bias? No matter how popular RKDartists are on a >> Wikipedia, unbiased coverage should always put them on the line in my >> plots. However, only the almost-complete Wikipedias come near that line. >> >> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:27 AM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Magnus, >>> That is very cool! I also noticed the same trend, which indeed does at >>> first glance appear to be a male bias in the language wikis. However, >>> drilling down into the actual data it's really not so bad. What you >>> actually see is a strong bias from the ULAN for artists who have been >>> active in the US for whatever reason (artworks in US museum, exhibition, or >>> public art). The RKD has a similar strong bias for artists who have been >>> active in the Northern & Southern Netherlands and adjoining countries (nl, >>> fr + de). We should offset this by looking at other databases, and also >>> looking at the same cross-wiki data for all biographies with >>> occupation=artist. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Magnus Manske < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=278 >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> I am compiling some stats regarding the work done on the Art & >>>>> Feminism edit-a-thons for my local chapter and while checking the state of >>>>> the wikis regarding female artists I noticed that there are huge local >>>>> differences per language wiki regarding "who is notable". One of the >>>>> things >>>>> I love about Mix-and-Match is the way you can easily check the sitelinks >>>>> per wiki. You can also download the data with autolist to see which >>>>> biographies are popular across different languages. I noticed that in the >>>>> case of women this seems to be way different than for men. Women artists >>>>> are more likely to be notable in one or two languages only, possibly >>>>> because they travel less, making their art known more locally than >>>>> otherwise - who knows? >>>>> >>>>> In any case, here is something to chew on: >>>>> >>>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Women_vs_Men_per_external_db_using_Mix-n-Match.jpg >>>>> >>>>> I wish we had more databases from more countries that only contain >>>>> artists that we could load into Mix-and-Match! >>>>> >>>>> Jane >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >
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