Hi Pine, Can you provide us with a quick summary of the start of this conversation and what the " these kinds of questions " might be?
Thanks! -Aaron On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 10:04 AM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > Speaking of specialized lists, I'd like to suggest that this discussion > would be well suited to Research-l, where many people who are interested in > these kinds of questions read and write about them more frequently than > they do on Wikimedia-l. I'm boldly adding that list to the recipients for > this thread. > > I have some thoughts about the substance of this discussion but they're a > bit rushed at the moment. I may write more later. > > Regards, > Pine > On Jun 2, 2015 4:32 AM, "Milos Rancic" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Luis, I have to say that you are the first person on WMF side who has >> substantially engaged into this issue and I am very glad to see that :) >> >> The products of your work are of the highest importance, as the community >> is the most important part of our movement, not to say that it's the >> movement itself. >> >> I am finally relieved to know that we are on the path to rationally >> understand what's going on inside of the community after short 14.5 years. >> >> It would be good if you'd share your results with the rest of us. >> >> As for this list: As MZ said, this list is important. However, there is no >> doubt that it's far from being the only or even the most important >> indicator of community health. It is just about one of the rare publicly >> accessible data which could give a clue of what's going on inside of the >> community, but could mislead, as well. >> On Jun 2, 2015 04:39, "Luis Villa" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Milos Rancic <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > >> > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 7:51 PM, Luis Villa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > > > On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Andrew Lih <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> 3. Participation in the mailing list may be a misleading indicator >> of >> > > >> activity or interest, as other regional or specialized forums (eg. >> > > >> Facebook, GLAM-oriented lists, etc) have emerged in recent years. >> > > >> >> > > > >> > > > Let me second this. My department is thinking about community health >> > > > metrics (constructive suggestions welcome!), but I would not >> personally >> > > > propose mailing list participation (especially this list) as a good >> > > metric >> > > > - decreased participation here may reflect many, many things, only >> some >> > > of >> > > > which are actually negative. >> > > >> > > This is not the only one indicator, but it's pretty consistent since >> > > 2011 (take a look into [1]). In other words, something happened in >> > > May. Maybe it's actually about the elections because people used other >> > > means of communication for that. >> > > >> > >> > Looking briefly at some of the highest-traffic months, it could simply >> be >> > that people got tired of discussing high-controversy topics here. >> > (Flamewars are good for traffic volume; not so great for community >> health.) >> > I'm sure Facebook's increased acceptance also has a role. I suspect also >> > that some announcements that used to come here now go to other, more >> > specialized mailing lists. >> > >> > That last one points to a key thing: as MZ says, many people are >> subscribed >> > to this list, but many don't read and don't participate, because this >> > mailing list has an *awful* reputation, and people who want to get >> things >> > done are going elsewhere. So "the decline of wikimedia-l" may be a sign >> of >> > bad health of the overall community, or it may simply mean that the >> healthy >> > and constructive parts of the community has moved elsewhere. >> > >> > To re-iterate what I said in the last email, I'm all ears for >> suggestions >> > on creative community metrics. I'll add here that I'm also very open to >> > suggestions on what a new wikimedia-l might look like. (I know some FOSS >> > communities are having good experiences with discourse.org, for >> example.) >> > No commitment that WMF can act on either immediately, of course, but I >> > think it is worth starting both of those discussions. >> > >> > Luis >> > >> > -- >> > Luis Villa >> > Sr. Director of Community Engagement >> > Wikimedia Foundation >> > *Working towards a world in which every single human being can freely >> share >> > in the sum of all knowledge.* >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> > [email protected] >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >> [email protected] >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/[email protected]> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > >
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