Anecdata, but: as someone who no longer posts to wikimedia-l, I stopped posting because I find it a fundamentally toxic place to be.
On 4 June 2015 at 13:55, Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Claudia, > >> which of Juergen's statements do you mean? > > > All of them, but mostly the explanation for the drop in traffic. > >> do you have any evidence for the contrary? > > > Please don't assume that my call for evidence suggests my disagreement. I'm > an empiricist and this is the research mailing list. IMO, claims need > evidence or should be carefully framed as speculation or hypothesis. In > this context, it is good practice to request that those making statements of > fact produce justification. > > It seems like it would be helpful to move this conversation forward if > someone were to find the dates of the policy change and compare it to the > rate of moderated messages. > > I also suggest that any further discussion about WMF policies or board > decisions (outside of their measurable effects, theoretical implications, > etc.) be taken to a more appropriate forum. > > -Aaron > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 10:05 AM, <koltzenb...@w4w.net> wrote: >> >> Hi Aaron, which of Juergen's statements do you mean? >> >> my question is: do you have any evidence for the contrary? >> >> best, Claudia >> >> ---------- Original Message ----------- >> From:Aaron Halfaker <aaron.halfa...@gmail.com> >> To:Research into Wikimedia content and communities <wiki-research- >> l...@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Sent:Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:55:02 -0500 >> Subject:Re: [Wiki-research-l] Community health (retitled thread) >> >> > Hi Juergen, That's an interesting hypothesis. Do >> > you have any evidence to support it? >> > >> > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Juergen Fenn >> > <jf...@gmx.net> wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > Am 04.06.2015 um 16:33 schrieb Samuel Klein <meta...@gmail.com>: >> > > >> > > > Context: reduced traffic on wikimedia-l. >> > > > Is this a sign of poor community health? >> > > >> > > Reduced traffic on Wikimedia-l is mostly due to list moderation. All >> > > critical content has been filtered for a while. I became aware of it >> > > only >> > > recently when I posted a critical remark which was rejected. >> > > >> > > The Foundation has not only introduced Superprotect and Superban, it >> has >> > > also got a firm grip on all communication channels whatsoever. This >> > > will >> > > intensify as, we have just learned, new staff will be hired for >> > > communication. The WMF no longer needs the community, it does all the >> > > traffic itself (staff, chapters, etc.). >> > > >> > > Of course this shift from crowdsourcing to staff has to be paid for, >> > > hence >> > > the interest in an ever-increasing flow of donations and hence the >> interest >> > > in the Alexa ranking of Wikipedia. >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > Jürgen. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Wiki-research-l mailing list >> > > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> > > >> ------- End of Original Message ------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wiki-research-l mailing list > Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l > -- Oliver Keyes Research Analyst Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wiki-research-l mailing list Wiki-research-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l
