I think it's a good idea, more if will be useful to find good feedback into the community and improve this kind of exercises in the future. Just a detail, the e-mail that I receive asked me articles in French when my Mother language is Spanish. I could prefer recommendations in my language.
Good luck! 2015-06-27 14:23 GMT-05:00 Leila Zia <[email protected]>: > To be clear about an RCom member giving us feedback on the test: Dario > knows about this research and the test we ran. The test was planned with > Dario's knowledge, the research is being done in Research team, and we have > received extensive Legal and CL feedback before running the test. > > I stand behind the test. I understand that specific aspects of the test > may not be desirable by some (specifically sending emails), and there were > mistakes that were identified and fixed thanks to users' feedback (you can > read more about the latest we know here > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#French_Wikipedia_Test:_Lessons_Learned> > ). > > Leila > > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more >>> (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). >> >> >> *RCom is not dead. It changed into something less formal and less >> hierarchical. You can still email me and Dario to get support for your >> research plans. We'd still reconvene the committee if it looks like >> that'll help. * >> >> While RCom hasn't met in a long time, the process for subject recruitment >> hasn't slowed. We don't have a technical requirement that all recruitment >> studies must follow The Process, but I have been helping researchers >> document their studies and obtain feedback and sometimes consensus for more >> than five years now. >> >> Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few >> interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review >> work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav & BluRasberry). Within >> the research team, we *do* have structured processed for supporting >> researchers access to data and engineering support, but subject recruitment >> has been mostly left in my (volunteer time) hands. >> >> Regretfully, I wasn't involved in the planning of this project or I would >> have directed it towards best practices for minimizing disruption >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment> -- e.g. >> an RFC. I would have also pushed Leila to find a way to make posts on talk >> pages work (since they are known to be generally preferable, police-able, >> etc.), but I can understand why concerns around privacy might be worth >> discussion. I regret that this discussion only happened after-the-fact as >> it could have informed the study design for the better. FWIW, SuggestBot >> posts recommendations on user talk pages and also does not filter for >> offensive content (to my knowledge). >> >> Finally, I think it is important to consider the source of this research >> work. Leila is not some random academic or industry researcher who is >> planning to take advantage of Wikipedians for a study, but not give back. >> Leila is working with a team at the WMF tasked with building better >> translation tools. She helped them design an experiment that would explore >> the effectiveness of these tools so that when something is deployed, it's >> actually better and we know it scientifically. A lot of the work I do with >> external researchers is to help make sure that their work has the potential >> to benefit Wikipedia/Wikipedians/Wikimedia/Open knowledge. In this case, >> the Leila's team is just helping the product teams engage in best practices >> around empirical software change practice. After all, every software >> deployment is an experiment that is inflicted upon you without consent. In >> this case, Leila's job is making sure that we know the effect before we >> deploy. >> >> So, what I really mean to say is: >> >> 1. You're right. We should do this better. We have a process and >> everyone should go through it. It might have caught some of the issues >> that have been raised. >> 2. Leila is WMF staff. She's trying to help the WMF build better >> software for the purpose of benefiting Wikipedians. Her team deserves >> some >> slack. The alternative of not running the study is less desirable. >> >> -Aaron >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Michelle Paulson < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Please see in-line below. >>> >>> -Michelle >>> >>> On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > + Michelle Paulson >>> > >>> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W <[email protected] >>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list. >>> >> >>> >> I have three questions: >>> >> >>> >> 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom? >>> >> >>> > No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or >>> > more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the >>> > Research team in the WMF. >>> > >>> >> 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are >>> >> proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk collection >>> of >>> >> nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of >>> those >>> >> addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the >>> >> Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, "We use >>> your >>> >> email address to let you know about things that are happening with the >>> >> Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as >>> telling >>> >> you important information about your account, letting you know if >>> something >>> >> is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you >>> when >>> >> there has been a change to an article that you have decided to >>> follow." The >>> >> bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for >>> research >>> >> and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or authorized >>> under >>> >> the privacy policy. >>> >> >>> > Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that >>> > it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday. >>> > >>> >>> The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to >>> ensure >>> that they complied with the WMF privacy policy. It is my view that this >>> type of use falls within the permissible potential uses for email >>> addresses >>> under the policy. The examples listed in the policy are meant to be >>> illustrative, not exclusive -- the absence of this situation as an >>> enumerated example shouldn't be taken as a prohibition. >>> >>> That said, it is a new use and therefore, will and should be the subject >>> of >>> discussion and debate. It is such feedback and testing that will help us >>> refine email practices to be both effective and reflective of community >>> values. >>> >>> > 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk >>> >> email? >>> >> >>> > The reason we chose email over talk pages (or Echo notifications) is >>> > explained here >>> > < >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage#.C2.AB_recommander_par_courriel_des_articles_.C3.A0_cr.C3.A9er.E2.80.A6_.C2.BB >>> >. >>> > >>> > >>> > Hope this helps. >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Leila >>> > >>> >> Thanks, >>> >> >>> >> Pine >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');> >>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> == >>> Michelle Paulson >>> Senior Legal Counsel >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor >>> San Francisco, CA 94105 >>> [email protected] >>> 415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office) >>> 415.882.0495 (Fax) >>> >>> *NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. 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