Hi Ivan, Thank you for your feedback. This shouldn't have happened, I'm sorry about it. We have fixed this problem (significantly reduced the chances of this happening), and it's in the list of lessons learned here <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#French_Wikipedia_Test:_Lessons_Learned> .
Best, Leila On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Ivan Martínez <[email protected]> wrote: > I think it's a good idea, more if will be useful to find good feedback > into the community and improve this kind of exercises in the future. Just a > detail, the e-mail that I receive asked me articles in French when my > Mother language is Spanish. I could prefer recommendations in my language. > > Good luck! > > > 2015-06-27 14:23 GMT-05:00 Leila Zia <[email protected]>: > >> To be clear about an RCom member giving us feedback on the test: Dario >> knows about this research and the test we ran. The test was planned with >> Dario's knowledge, the research is being done in Research team, and we have >> received extensive Legal and CL feedback before running the test. >> >> I stand behind the test. I understand that specific aspects of the test >> may not be desirable by some (specifically sending emails), and there were >> mistakes that were identified and fixed thanks to users' feedback (you can >> read more about the latest we know here >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage#French_Wikipedia_Test:_Lessons_Learned> >> ). >> >> Leila >> >> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year or more >>>> (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). >>> >>> >>> *RCom is not dead. It changed into something less formal and less >>> hierarchical. You can still email me and Dario to get support for your >>> research plans. We'd still reconvene the committee if it looks like >>> that'll help. * >>> >>> While RCom hasn't met in a long time, the process for subject >>> recruitment hasn't slowed. We don't have a technical requirement that all >>> recruitment studies must follow The Process, but I have been helping >>> researchers document their studies and obtain feedback and sometimes >>> consensus for more than five years now. >>> >>> Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a >>> few interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with >>> review work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav & BluRasberry). >>> Within the research team, we *do* have structured processed for supporting >>> researchers access to data and engineering support, but subject recruitment >>> has been mostly left in my (volunteer time) hands. >>> >>> Regretfully, I wasn't involved in the planning of this project or I >>> would have directed it towards best practices for minimizing disruption >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Research_recruitment> -- e.g. >>> an RFC. I would have also pushed Leila to find a way to make posts on talk >>> pages work (since they are known to be generally preferable, police-able, >>> etc.), but I can understand why concerns around privacy might be worth >>> discussion. I regret that this discussion only happened after-the-fact as >>> it could have informed the study design for the better. FWIW, SuggestBot >>> posts recommendations on user talk pages and also does not filter for >>> offensive content (to my knowledge). >>> >>> Finally, I think it is important to consider the source of this research >>> work. Leila is not some random academic or industry researcher who is >>> planning to take advantage of Wikipedians for a study, but not give back. >>> Leila is working with a team at the WMF tasked with building better >>> translation tools. She helped them design an experiment that would explore >>> the effectiveness of these tools so that when something is deployed, it's >>> actually better and we know it scientifically. A lot of the work I do with >>> external researchers is to help make sure that their work has the potential >>> to benefit Wikipedia/Wikipedians/Wikimedia/Open knowledge. In this case, >>> the Leila's team is just helping the product teams engage in best practices >>> around empirical software change practice. After all, every software >>> deployment is an experiment that is inflicted upon you without consent. In >>> this case, Leila's job is making sure that we know the effect before we >>> deploy. >>> >>> So, what I really mean to say is: >>> >>> 1. You're right. We should do this better. We have a process and >>> everyone should go through it. It might have caught some of the issues >>> that have been raised. >>> 2. Leila is WMF staff. She's trying to help the WMF build better >>> software for the purpose of benefiting Wikipedians. Her team deserves >>> some >>> slack. The alternative of not running the study is less desirable. >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Michelle Paulson < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Please see in-line below. >>>> >>>> -Michelle >>>> >>>> On Saturday, June 27, 2015, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > + Michelle Paulson >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pine W <[email protected] >>>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> This issue is also being discussed on the Research mailing list. >>>> >> >>>> >> I have three questions: >>>> >> >>>> >> 1. Was this outreach method approved by RCom? >>>> >> >>>> > No, and RCom, as far as I know has not been active in the past year >>>> or >>>> > more (last meeting was on Dec. 22, 2011). This is a research from the >>>> > Research team in the WMF. >>>> > >>>> >> 2. Email addresses are nonpublic information on-wiki unless they are >>>> >> proactively and publicly disclosed by users. Does the bulk >>>> collection of >>>> >> nonpublic email addresses in this manner and the bulk provision of >>>> those >>>> >> addresses to researchers for their use in this campaign violate the >>>> >> Wikimedia privacy policy? The policy states regarding email, "We use >>>> your >>>> >> email address to let you know about things that are happening with >>>> the >>>> >> Foundation, the Wikimedia Sites, or the Wikimedia movement, such as >>>> telling >>>> >> you important information about your account, letting you know if >>>> something >>>> >> is changing about the Wikimedia Sites or policies, and alerting you >>>> when >>>> >> there has been a change to an article that you have decided to >>>> follow." The >>>> >> bulk scraping of email addresses from account registrations for >>>> research >>>> >> and outreach purposes doesn't appear to be contemplated or >>>> authorized under >>>> >> the privacy policy. >>>> >> >>>> > Michelle can help with this one as this is related to Legal. Note that >>>> > it's weekend here and this may have to wait until Monday. >>>> > >>>> >>>> The research team did speak to me prior to beginning this project to >>>> ensure >>>> that they complied with the WMF privacy policy. It is my view that this >>>> type of use falls within the permissible potential uses for email >>>> addresses >>>> under the policy. The examples listed in the policy are meant to be >>>> illustrative, not exclusive -- the absence of this situation as an >>>> enumerated example shouldn't be taken as a prohibition. >>>> >>>> That said, it is a new use and therefore, will and should be the >>>> subject of >>>> discussion and debate. It is such feedback and testing that will help us >>>> refine email practices to be both effective and reflective of community >>>> values. >>>> >>>> > 3. Wouldn't talk pages be a more appropriate outreach method than bulk >>>> >> email? >>>> >> >>>> > The reason we chose email over talk pages (or Echo notifications) is >>>> > explained here >>>> > < >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research_talk:Increasing_article_coverage#.C2.AB_recommander_par_courriel_des_articles_.C3.A0_cr.C3.A9er.E2.80.A6_.C2.BB >>>> >. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hope this helps. >>>> > >>>> > Best, >>>> > Leila >>>> > >>>> >> Thanks, >>>> >> >>>> >> Pine >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected] >>>> ');> >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> >>>> -- >>>> == >>>> Michelle Paulson >>>> Senior Legal Counsel >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> 149 New Montgomery Street, 6th Floor >>>> San Francisco, CA 94105 >>>> [email protected] >>>> 415.839.6885 ext. 6608 (Office) >>>> 415.882.0495 (Fax) >>>> >>>> *NOTICE: This message may be confidential or legally privileged. 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