I swear I asked this (maybe I was just thinking about asking it) .. will the ad that is going to be on the main page of the wiki, will we be able to position that ourselves?
Also, will it be thrown up onto a temporary wiki so that we can have a sneak peek look at it in an interactive setting before it's rolled out available to all wiki's? One other thing I was thinking. If that advert that other sites are buying is so profitable and you wish to keep it. I like the V2 layouts in regards to the width on the side and all the widgets that were available. Is it possible to have V2 width on the side (but on the left) and just reduce the top space reduction? So in effect a V2.5 ? Or can this be customised through current V2 for the left/right? -Victor On Dec 24, 2007 1:17 PM, Christian Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > DanTMan, > I knew what you were saying about CSS and non-JS. I was just explaining > that we wanted to go a step further and try to make a 100% CSS flyout menu > solution just for double bonus points. :) Enclosed are screenshots (not > mockups) of a JS enabled browser and a non-JS enabled browser. > > Just about everything in your mockup will be possible by customizing your > own CSS. The only exceptions are: > > *Rounded corners on the last widget* - This could be possible if we can > add a special class name to the last widget (as I think you suggested). > Maciej is the widget master, so I'll check with him. This would work only > for Mozilla/Firefox and Safari (I think...) by adding a border radius > property. > > *Early Quartz style rating and sharing* - This isn't possible because it > requires moving a lot of code around. > > BTW, the buttons and the Wikia logo in the header are pngs. In fact, > everything is 24bit alpha-transparent pngs including the Edit, History, > Move, etc graphics and the search button. We tried really, really hard to > make this new skin really, really easy to customize. > > -Christian > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 10:14 PM, DanTMan wrote: > > Aww... and I was working on a mockup... > > Actually, by CSS I wasn't meaning hovering. I was meaning a list style > sidebar (With a little extra coloring for the subareas) which was static and > usable without any hovering at all. Then convert the sub areas into a Hover > menu with JS. That way those with JS get the nice hover, and those without > get a normal styled list instead of having a menu they absolutely cannot > access. > > As for the visuals... How about a compromise. > Make the skin markup and color based so that it's easy to style as you > want. But still do the markup and backend css, in a way that those of us > willing to go the extra mile to use the structural images can easily add > those into the css and have them work. (Instead of the hard and unreliable > hacks people use to style things in Monobook) > ie: Monobook evolution, with enough flexibility to use extra graphics. > > Well anyways... This is what I had finished with the mockup so far... I > think I'm just missing the top Article_bars curve in the search bar: (Don't > mind some of the graphical faults like Toughpigs name and the text, it's > just hard to alter background colors sometimes when things aren't separated > into objects; T_T Oh ya, I accidentally have a cut part of the logo text in > the middle of the page from a mistake, just ignore that; and the content is > cut off because I'm reusing some of my old Animepedia screenshots to do the > mockup and I have a higher screen res) > <V3_mockup_V3_merge.jpg> > > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > Christian Williams wrote: > > Hey DanTMan, > > As always, thanks for taking the time to digest this stuff and compose > your initial feedback. Driving the design were two major factors: reducing > the size of the sidebar and creating a skin that feels like an evolution of > monobook. To meet the "monobook evolution" design goal, and to make the skin > far easier to customize than Quartz, V3 uses far less accent and structural > images. > > The navigation is customizable via a MediaWiki article, using bulleted > list markup: > *Muppet Wiki > *Muppet Characters > **Kermit the Frog > **Miss Piggy > **Other Characters > ***Gonzo > ***Animal > etc. > > I just put the finishing CSS touches on the navigation menu this week for > users without JS. It looks and works really nice. In fact, we even > experimented with a CSS-only version of the navigation menu, but it was > completely unforgiving if your mouse slipped off one of the child menus even > for a split second. In the end, the menu is rendered with YUI for the > JS-having folks. > > -Christian > > > On Dec 21, 2007, at 8:35 PM, DanTMan wrote: > > *sigh* Bu-bye nice quartz look... I kinda liked a bit of the V2 > quartz... (T_T And goodbye Quartz Switch setup... I'm going to have to > rewrite the way the buttons are put in and styled) > How about integration of the styled look of quartz with the > monobook/quartz(V3) layout. > > Here are some of my ideas: > * Returning the curved header to the skin: > ** Could try raising that logo area a bit higher (It looks even more > space consuming than in V2). > ** Rather than on the right, the curve could be on the left and be used > to make the logo part of the top bar. > *** This would also provide the extra benefit of a flat background so > that transparent logos don't end up unreadable because of gradients in > the real bg). > *** If people still wanted the logo to show up against the background > all they'd need to do is remove/not-include the header image, as the top > bar would use the current markup based background displayed. In that way > both of the liked versions are kept available. > * The curved look to some areas of the skin: > ** The Article_bars type image could actually be returned to the top of > the Article area. It should work with that mockup without causing issues > in reading. > ** The previous suggestions I made on how to reintegrate the bottom > Article_bars into the V2 Quartz Article area could also apply to the V3 > skin. > ** The Search bar at the top of the sidebar could be given the > Article_bars style to. > ** A curve (Not really the article bars style) could be added to the > very bottom of the Sidebar (The related communities box, or if that's > not always it, the bottom box could always be given a .last css class) > *** Overall, rather than giving the sidebar boxes each curves, this > would give the entire sidebar a more unified curve to it. > > Primarily, I think the outcry against Quartz with people wanting > Monobook was layout, not style. It should be possible to integrate the > monobook layout, with a bit of the fancy styling of quartz. > > Though I do have a thought about that bar at the bottom of the page with > the repeat spotlight ads. > > You ever seen one of those sites with a list which rolled from > right-to-left with a bunch of affiliate buttons to a bunch of topsite > lists. > Rather than something ugly of course... > How about letting us list, (In a MW message) a number of wikia which are > similar/related/affiliated with the wikia you're on. And inside that box > at the bottom, they'll roll from right-to-left. Basically it'll be a > logo image with a link to the wiki. > > Also, the sidebar is nice. Looks like we're using a custom MediaWiki > message to create that one? > I could make a suggestion... > Just for the users without JS. This time could we add in a little extra > css styling to style it nicely with CSS, then turn it into a hover menu > with JS after so we know that we're not going to make it unusable to > those without JS. > > ~Daniel Friesen(Dantman) of: > -The Gaiapedia (http://gaia.wikia.com) > -Wikia ACG on Wikia.com (http://wikia.com/wiki/Wikia_ACG) > -and Wiki-Tools.com (http://wiki-tools.com) > > JohnQ wrote: > > I hate it when that happens. :) Screenshots attached. > > Hi everyone, > > I have what may be an early "Winter holidays" present for many of you... > > We've been working on a new look for Wikia based on both the positive > and negative feedback we've gotten on the V1 and V2 skins. We know > the effort it takes for you to adjust to these skins but we think > we've hit the right balance based on all the feedback. To recap, the > biggest criticisms we received were: > > * don't push the article too far down the page (V1) > * the right-hand sidebar is too wide (V1/V2) > * we want something more like Monobook (V1/V2) > > With that input, we built a V3 that we believe addresses your > concerns while still including the things that will help us grow the > site: > > * a left-hand sidebar > * a wider article space > * more like Monobook > * incorporate the features from V2 that are working > * browsing behavior via top content and the more prominent > search box are up (V2). > * search suggest is useful for visitors (~30% of all searches > use it... on some wikis 70%). > * we still believe giving the community more visibility is the > right thing to do. > > In doing this, however, we had to make one big trade-off. The only > way to reduce the width of the right sidebar was to remove our best > performing ad size (some of the ad networks will only buy that size). > So... we need you to understand that the box ad format is good for > the long-term health of Wikia and, while taking it off 99.99% of > pages, we don't want to get rid of it entirely but rather only show > it on the main page of each wiki since that one page still gets a > decent amount of traffic. This is shown as a "featured media" box on > one of the mockups. > > I'm including some mockups that show you what we've been working on. > In addition, there's a new forum topic on it here: > http://inside.wikia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=141 > > Thanks, > John Q. > > ______________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikia-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.wikia.com/mailman/listinfo/wikia-l > >
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