https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35785
--- Comment #65 from TMg <[email protected]> --- (In reply to comment #64) > Please [...] keep arguments neutral and technical. But this is not a technical request. It's a request to change the settings of each and every MediaWiki user without asking them and without any community consensus. This is a social thing. It's about keeping things simple at a level that each and every user can understand and grow up from. There are lots and lots of reasons (both technical and social) to not do this but only very few (if any) valid reasons to do it. While this report is about "recentchanges" only it will change both recentchanges and all watchlists. I'm pretty sure only a few experienced users care about recentchanges. This report would be very different if you are able to split this. But it's a big issue if it will affect the much more important watchlists. Almost all users use their watchlists but only a few use recentchanges. Reventchanges is the same for all users anyway. The enhanced stuff is a tool for power users. It's an opt-in feature. It always was an opt-in feature and always should be. Every user that really wants to use it had it enabled already. There is no need to change anything from this perspective. If you want to change your setting then change your setting. You don't need to change the settings of everybody else to do this. The enhanced stuff is supercharged with lots and lots of informations and links. This is a good thing for power-users but confusing for new users. The default lists are a lot easier to manage and to understand. Changing the default setting will affect mainly new users. Power-users had it enabled already. Again, from this perspective it doesn't make sense to change the default setting from "easy" to "hard". The basic lists don't rely on JavaScript. The enhanced stuff doesn't work well with JavaScript disabled. It's not that it's a complete mess (like LiquidThreads is) but it simply doesn't make much sense with JavaScript disabled. The scripting stuff feels clunky and slow, even on current machines. The animations are unnecessary and disturbing. They are actually *broken* (see bug #31832). Collapsing elements is *not* animated, it's just delayed for no reason. It feels like my mouse click was not recognized. I click again and this *collapses* the list immediately the moment it opened. Such bugs make me feel like I'm to stupid to use a computer. Like I'm spastic and unable to do a decent mouse click. I hate such bugs. Recentchanges and watchlist don't need to be animated at all. Both are tools to get things done. Most animations add nothing to these workflows. All they do is wasting time. The scripting stuff is so bad, the watchlist becomes completely unusable for some users. See the depending reports (e.g. bug #34876). The enhanced stuff actually removes features. One is that the "hide my edits" setting becomes pointless. If this setting is enabled and I edit a page, that page will be completely removed from the basic watchlist. This is a useful feature. For example, it's like I got a notification about a change on a talk page, I added an answer and that's it. It's like a check mark. Done and gone. My watchlist gets cleaner this way. The enhanced stuff not only removes this feature, it gets completely confusing. If "hide my edits" is enabled only my last edit will be hidden. Instead it shows the previous edits again. There is not even a hint that there was a later edit. No "current" indicator or something. It looks exactly the same like I never added an answer to that talk page. This is confusing and makes the "hide my edits" setting completely useless. Same problem in combination with other settings but that's the most important for me. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug. _______________________________________________ Wikibugs-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikibugs-l
