https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=41193

--- Comment #23 from [email protected] ---
(In reply to comment #21)
> This discussion is not helpful. Please read 
> 
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bug_management/Bugzilla_Etiquette
> 
> This report is far from perfect since Comment 0 since all we have to evaluate
> is
> 
> "VisualEditor: Support copy and paste from other VE instances (surfaces)"
> 
> Now this support is in place. You are saying that it doesn't work in certain
> circumstances. Are there file bugs opened for the circumstances you can
> reproduce? Currently we have
> 
> Bug 33105 - VisualEditor: Preserve rich text formatting when pasting from
> internal or external sources (tracking)
> 
> which tracks 6 bug reports. Are the problems you are encountering covered
> there? I didn't read the whole conversation at the wiki page, but the
> problems
> seemed to be related with formatting being lost from copy to paste, which is
> what Bug 33105 is tracking. 
> 
> If not, please create new bugs for the cases that are missing.

This discussion is not helpful? On the contrary, it has made the position of
many devs a lot clearer, and the gap between them and their "customers", for
lack of a better word. That it may have violated your Bugzilla Etiquette is the
least of my concerns, and that my Bugzilla access may be taken away is your
loss, not mine. 

I am not saying that "it doesn't work in certain circumstances", I'm saying
that it doesn't work in nearly all circumstances. 

Are there file bugs opened for it? Don't know, don't really care. I have done
your (devs) job, testing the software, and have reported at length what I
encountered in those far from exhaustive tests. Perhaps now you (devs) can do
what is apparently my job, and file the bugs? The arrogance of this thread and
these statements may escape you, but it is unmistakeable for an outsider. 

What bugs are coupled at the moment to the mythical bug 33105 ("The main work
is done' Priority back to normal")? Bug 37932 is not relevant, 48172 may be
related, 48720 is not relevant, 50126 has nothing to do with my reported
problems, 51725 doesn't seem to be about what the title describes, 52091 is
about copying from read mode (which WhatamIDoing (WMF) claimed was not what
this was about)... So no, the many problems I reported are not yet noted, or at
least not coupled to 33105. 

"If not, please create new bugs for the cases that are missing." No, even
though you ask nicely, but the treatment by others, the ones that should have
found these problems in the first place, doesn't give me any reason to waste my
time repeating the errors I reported here once again, where they will be closed
at the whim of a dev anyway, sometimes fixed, sometimes not. I hope that
someone who should have tested this from the WMF devs or the in-name-only QA
team will be a tiny bit ashamed about all that's happened here, and file the
bugs themselves. I doubt it though. It's easier to blame the messenger than to
look at your own faults.

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