https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30442

Nemo_bis <[email protected]> changed:

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--- Comment #23 from Nemo_bis <[email protected]> 2011-10-19 08:09:34 UTC 
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(In reply to comment #7)
> I'm opposed to this idea, we want the registration screen to be as clean as
> simple as possible 

+1

> [...] We could probably comprise and
> have a "Now that you have a account don't forget you can change your
> preferences" type message.

We already have such a message. And it's quite strong: it looks like you can't
start editing without adjusting your preferences!
[[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation/en]] (note that this is heavily customised on
en.wiki and pl.wiki to replace bot welcomes).

The MediaWiki signup page asks only the essential information to create an
account, username and password, and it stresses that you don't need to provide
email. One thing it doesn't ask is language: are we seriously going to ask in
what /gender/ the user wants to be addressed while not asking in what
/language/, which seems a bit more impacting on the user interface to me? This
looks like an obvious WONTFIX for me with the current system.

For the sake of completeness, we have some kind multilingual projects which
sort of ask you your language because they give you links to
?uselang=-localised versions of the page, for instance Meta
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&type=signup , and
Commons has also the language selector everywhere which will put the "create
account" link in the correct language, which will also be stored as a
preference: but my point stays.

Neil puts the problem in the correct perspective: I think that the current
wording for [[Special:Preferences]] («Optional: used for gender-correct
addressing by the software») is good but could be improved. Also, instead of
putting it under "Basic information" I'd put it along with the language
preference, changing "Internationalisation" title to "User interface". That's
another bug, I suppose?

(In reply to comment #21)
> (In reply to comment #19)
> > We'll have to ask the questions in all languages on all projects.  Here's 
> > the
> > use case:
> > 
> > Rebecca creates an account on enwiki.  English doesn't care about gender in 
> > its
> > language - at least, not like German, say.  Do we ask the questions?  Yes, 
> > we
> > have to:  because some day Rebecca may go to dewiki, and have it incorrectly
> > speak to her as if she's a man.
> > 
> > This is really a global preference set, which we've discussed in a couple 
> > other
> > areas.
> This also kind of breaks Neil's suggestion (but maybe not really, depends on
> how well translators handle it I guess): English doesn't care about gender in
> certain cases but German does, so how do you ask Rebecca about her
> (grammatical) gender? The gender is relevant for German but you're asking the
> question in English.

I don't see why. If you're asking her the question in English, it's because
she'll use the English interface and if she wants German she'll have to change
preferences.

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