| Cirdan added a comment. |
In T193728#4213806, @Micru wrote:since I hold the rights to that text
The concept of "rights" is quite flexible, as shows Wikipedia. The Wikipedias are based on texts that have copyrights but they have been re-paraphrased so that the copyright no longer applies. Same with data-mining, in a way it is re-paraphrasing a text in a machine readable format.
I'm again sorry to say that, but your comments show a deeply flawed understanding of copyright. Copyright of texts is by no means "flexible". It seems you are confusing plagiarism and copyright violation, which are completely separate categories (the former is a concept in the context of academic scholarship, the latter a concept in the context of law). What we are discussing here is whether data collections licensed under CC-BY-SA or other non-CC-0 licenses (like OSM) can be imported to Wikidata. The licenses of these collections do not simply vanish because one alters some words or uses a computer program to extract the information.
In T193728#4218415, @Micru wrote:In my opinion, a CC license that would allow for data mining as CC0 would be most helpful, and not only for the Wikimedia movement.
There is already a license which allows data mining under CC-0: CC-0 itself. There cannot be any other license which allows re-use of content under CC-0 which is not effectively identical CC-0. If there are cases where copyright law permits the extraction of information from copyrighted texts, then this applies to CC-BY-SA licensed texts as well, so there is no need to change CC-BY-SA to extract information from Wikipedia.
But as said, I would be rather troubled by such an approach.
Do you care to explain why does it bother you to clarify the license?
It's not a "clarification", it would constitute a retroactive conversion of CC-BY-SA into a license which is effectively CC-0. As we have explained to you multiple times now, that is not possible without consent of every single contributor of a copyright protected text to Wikipedia and it is highly doubtful that a majority of Wikipedians (or the WMF) is interested in converting Wikipedia to CC-0.
(I can only urge you again to carefully read the explanations people in this discussion have given you and perhaps also look into copyright law (a Wikipedia article will do) and the CC-BY-SA and CC-0 license texts to understand the fundamental issues we are discussing here.)
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