done this change.
2013/6/20 Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> > Thinking about it again, and discussing it internally, maybe we should > replace "word" with "expression" and "meaning" with "sense"? > > Any +1's or differing opinions? > > > 2013/6/20 Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]> > >> The current proposal does not cover grammar rules explicitly. If at all, >> I would regard that as a later extension once the lexical information is in >> place. Also, my limited understanding of the topic does not even allow for >> coming up with a data model to cover grammar rules, or to know whether >> there is something like sufficiently widely accepted models to represent >> grammar, or if there are still discussions whether Chomsky or Systemic >> Functional Grammars or whatever else would make the cut... >> >> Regarding "word" vs "expression" - I do not care much about the actual >> term, and it seems that both seem valid. With the suggested change from >> "meaning" to "word sense" though, it might make more sense to keep "word" >> here. But as said, no strong opinion here. I definitively see that saying >> that <http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/carry_coals_to_Newcastle> is a >> "word" is kinda weird. "expression" would fix that. >> >> Any further opinions? >> >> Cheers, >> Denny >> >> >> >> >> 2013/6/19 David Cuenca <[email protected]> >> >>> Hi Denny, >>> >>> Thank you very much for this fantastic update about the intentions of >>> supporting a semantic dictionary in Wikidata :) >>> Just a minor correction: I think instead of "word", it should be >>> "expression" because some languages don't follow the same logic. >>> >>> On the other hand, do you think it would be possible to accommodate >>> grammar rules too? >>> I have added some people from Apertium that might have some insights >>> about it. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Micru >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Denny Vrandečić < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I would like all interested in the interaction of Wikidata and >>>> Wiktionary to take a look at the following proposal. It is trying to serve >>>> all use cases mentioned so far, and remain still fairly simple to >>>> implement. >>>> >>>> <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Wiktionary> >>>> >>>> To the best of our knowledge, we have checked all discussions on this >>>> topic, and also related work like OmegaWiki, Wordnet, etc., and are >>>> building on top of that. >>>> >>>> I would extremely appreciate if some liaison editors could reach out to >>>> the Wiktionaries in order to get a wider discussion base. We are currently >>>> reading more on related work and trying to improve the proposal. >>>> >>>> It would be great if we could keep the discussion on the discussion >>>> page on the wiki, so to bundle it a bit. Or at least have pointers there. >>>> >>>> <http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata_talk:Wiktionary> >>>> >>>> Note that we are giving this proposal early. Implementation has not >>>> started yet (obviously, otherwise the discussion would be a bit moot), and >>>> this is more a mid-term commitment (i.e. if the discussion goes smoothly, >>>> it might be implemented and deployed by the end of the year or so, although >>>> this depends on the results of the discussion obviously). >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Denny >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Project director Wikidata >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin >>>> Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. >>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter >>>> der Nummer 23855 B. 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