Since I am obviously bad at guessing what you mean, can you please explicate what you mean with "replicate that functionality on Wikidata"?
Sorry, I am too dense to understand it. What do you want to happen, explicitly? I go to http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q6573995 - how should it be different from what it displays today? Do you want the item pages to have the feature to directly embed query results, instead of having a one-click distance to the actual query page and its results? Or is there more to it? On Thu Mar 06 2014 at 3:10:44 PM, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm not saying that the results yielded by "Category:Books by Jean-Paul > Sartre" or "Category:Books by J.R.R. Tolkien" are or should be the same as > the result yielded by a corresponding Wikidata query, but the concepts they > represent, they are the same. Ditto for lists. > (As a further clarification, I didn't mention anything about changing > Wikipedia categories or Wikipedia lists either.) > > My question was regarding the functionality of WD items associated with > Wikipedia categories and Wikipedia lists. > Conceptually those items represent (or can represent) queries. > WDQ, the tool by Magnus, already can interpret certain statements as > queries [1]. > Would it make sense to replicate that functionality on Wikidata? > > Cheers, > Micru > > [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=6573995 > > > On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Denny Vrandečić <[email protected]>wrote: > >> But that's simply not the case. The Category:Books by Jean-Paul Sartre >> [1] or Category:Books by J.R.R. Tolkien [2} neither are a complete list of >> books by those authors (e.g. Sartre's fictional books are missing, >> Tolkien's non-fictional *and* Middle earth books are missing), nor are they >> only including books by Tolkien (e.g. they also include templates and other >> categories, which are likely not written by Sartre or Tolkien). >> >> If the plan is to change the way categories are used in Wikipedia and the >> other Wikimedia wikis, I'd say this is a very different goal, but should be >> discussed on those wikis. >> >> List-articles often contain much more love and care than a Wikidata >> query result will for a while. I don't think that replacing an article like >> the list of books by David Foster Wallace [3] the List of US Presidents [4] >> with a single simple query is a short-term goal. >> >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_by_Jean-Paul_Sartre >> [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Books_by_J._R._R._Tolkien >> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Books_by_David_Foster_Wallace >> [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_Presidents >> >> >> On Thu Mar 06 2014 at 1:49:54 PM, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> The point I wanted to make (following your example), is that the >>> Wikidata Query "All novels by Douglas Adams" is equivalent to the item >>> "Category:Novels by Douglas Adams" [1]. In other cases there will be even 3 >>> items representing the same information: the wd query, the category item, >>> and a "list of..." item. So I'm just wondering if this complexity is really >>> needed for structural/technical reasons. >>> >>> Maybe there is an easier way instead of linking to the wd query with a >>> "category's main query" property? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Micru >>> >>> [1] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q8687492 >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Lydia Pintscher < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 9:01 PM, David Cuenca <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > I would like to make you aware of this RFC started by Gerard: >>>> > >>>> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Define_lists_on_both_%22Wikimedia_lists%22_and_%22Wikimedia_categories%22 >>>> > >>>> > It is interesting because in the end, what is the difference between >>>> a list, >>>> > a category, and a query? Not much, really. >>>> > >>>> > I'm curious to know if the approach taken with queries will be the >>>> same as >>>> > the WDQ >>>> > http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?&q=6573995 >>>> > >>>> > Items like "List of..." or "Category:" would have some use, but the >>>> > development notes don't state if this is the intended path >>>> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/Development/Queries >>>> > >>>> > Any thoughts about it? >>>> >>>> I've been trying to understand the RfC 3 times now and still fail. So >>>> I can't answer your questions unfortunately. >>>> >>>> The short and simplified version of how complex queries will work: >>>> * someone defines a query on a page in a special query namespace (eg >>>> "everything that has author = Douglas Adams") >>>> * the result of the query is a list of items matching the query >>>> * the Wikipedias can include the result of the query and visualize it >>>> in certain ways on a page. (eg the wikitext of the article "List of >>>> works by Douglas Adams" would have a call to include the query result >>>> from Wikidata) >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Lydia >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >>>> Product Manager for Wikidata >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >>>> Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 >>>> 10963 Berlin >>>> www.wikimedia.de >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. >>>> >>>> Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg >>>> unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. 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