Ok, I got the point. What you probably need to consider is that focusing on one goal does not mean at all that we have to dismiss all the others. At least, *I* do not think so.
You want to focus on research? Fine, do it. I'd like to focus on templates. That's fine too, I guess. We're both working to let Wikidata be appreciated - by separate audiences. L. Il 19/ago/2014 07:57 "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> ha scritto: > Hoi, > What is the point of Wiktionary, WIkipedia, Wikispecies et al as a WMF > project? Like Wikidata they all help us share in the sum of all knowledge. > Wikidata already provides an application in being the vehicle for > interlanguage links. > > The low hanging fruit of Wikidata is not sharing info in templates, it is > in providing search results where a Wikipedia does NOT have an article. It > is used for this and it does have a measurable impact. It is "nice" to > have the ambition to share data in templates but be realistic. The quality > of the data in Wikidata does not merit this at this time. The "community" > insists on sources and frankly it is assassine to expect that in the first > few years it will be available near the level that some "demand". This is > only based on the data that is there. That is the next problem we do not > have enough data. We are still at the stage where we are harvesting data > for the first time. Harvesting big amounts, not one item at a time. > > It is important to have goals, and it is nice that at the start providing > data to templates was seen as an initial goal. However it will not be like > with Pallas Athena when she came from the head of Zeus in full armour. This > goal is achievable and we are making big strides in that direction BUT we > need smaller goals, small applications that grow our content in both > quality and quantity. As I wrote on my blog, we need to think in terms of > confidence in our data and not so much in sources. Amir is finishing a tool > that will allow us to compare data for "humans" in the English, German and > Italian Wikipedia. That will be a massive step in the right direction. > > I care about Wikidata and I know that at this time those freakingly hard > templates are the least of our worries. More problematic is that people > think of Wikidata as a service product for Wikipedia and limit their > thinking to templates. The existing search extension with WDQ is there. It > works really well. It is dismissed probably because it demonstrates that > ALL Wikipedias cover less than 50% of the subjects known to us. We know all > of them because of Wikidata. > > So yeah by all means blow the horn about our aspiration of servicing > templates in those projects that can handle this. It is fine. It is not > realistic and even counter productive as an aspiration when we do not > appreciate the reality as we have it at this time. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 18 August 2014 14:41, Luca Martinelli <[email protected]> wrote: > >> 2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >> > Hoi, >> > Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one >> > application. There are so many potential applications for structured >> data >> > and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it >> (in >> > the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore. >> > >> > For people "not to know how to" is a given. I do not care to know about >> > Wikipedia templates because they are freaking impossibly hard. >> >> Yet, if we don't use the Wikidata data in the "freaking impossibly >> hard" Wikipedia templates, what is the point of Wikidata as a >> Wikimedia project? >> >> I remember that this project had among its first goals to help >> disseminate structured data on all Wikimedia projects, in order to >> relieve the less-crowded WMF projects of their burden in managing such >> data and to let their few users focus on writing/translating/expanding >> their articles. Now, if we don't show to people on the WMF project - >> even the bigger ones - that Wikidata IS useful by helping them in >> retrieving these data, what is the point of this project? >> >> "There are so many potential application", I know, yet THIS IS ONE OF >> THEM -- and in my personal and humble opinion a damn important one. >> >> -- >> Luca "Sannita" Martinelli >> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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