Thanks for the stats, Gerard. Two thoughts: - With so many items without description I wonder why we don't have the automatic descriptions gadget enabled by default. - There are many items without statements, but not that many articles without a category --> would it be possible to have a game that suggests instance of/subclass of based on the statements of the items in the same or in the upper category?
Thanks Micru On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected] > wrote: > Hoi, > I am not in research. I am into making Wikidata into a reasonable > resource. To achieve this I add gazillions of statements and I am happy > when people focus on templates. However without the data, templates that > make use of Wikidata are niche applications. Without some mature > understanding of what Wikidata is at this time concentrating on templates > is an exercise in building enabling technology. > > My point is for the "community" to have reasonable expectations. So many > people consider Wikidata to be useless. That is fine but imho it helps when > the baseline of where Wikidata is at this time is understood. > Thanks, > GerardM > > The statistics that explain this best can be found here .. > https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/stats.php?reverse > > > On 19 August 2014 10:27, Luca Martinelli <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ok, I got the point. What you probably need to consider is that focusing >> on one goal does not mean at all that we have to dismiss all the others. At >> least, *I* do not think so. >> >> You want to focus on research? Fine, do it. I'd like to focus on >> templates. That's fine too, I guess. We're both working to let Wikidata be >> appreciated - by separate audiences. >> >> L. >> Il 19/ago/2014 07:57 "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> ha >> scritto: >> >> Hoi, >>> What is the point of Wiktionary, WIkipedia, Wikispecies et al as a WMF >>> project? Like Wikidata they all help us share in the sum of all knowledge. >>> Wikidata already provides an application in being the vehicle for >>> interlanguage links. >>> >>> The low hanging fruit of Wikidata is not sharing info in templates, it >>> is in providing search results where a Wikipedia does NOT have an article. >>> It is used for this and it does have a measurable impact. It is "nice" to >>> have the ambition to share data in templates but be realistic. The quality >>> of the data in Wikidata does not merit this at this time. The "community" >>> insists on sources and frankly it is assassine to expect that in the first >>> few years it will be available near the level that some "demand". This is >>> only based on the data that is there. That is the next problem we do not >>> have enough data. We are still at the stage where we are harvesting data >>> for the first time. Harvesting big amounts, not one item at a time. >>> >>> It is important to have goals, and it is nice that at the start >>> providing data to templates was seen as an initial goal. However it will >>> not be like with Pallas Athena when she came from the head of Zeus in full >>> armour. This goal is achievable and we are making big strides in that >>> direction BUT we need smaller goals, small applications that grow our >>> content in both quality and quantity. As I wrote on my blog, we need to >>> think in terms of confidence in our data and not so much in sources. Amir >>> is finishing a tool that will allow us to compare data for "humans" in the >>> English, German and Italian Wikipedia. That will be a massive step in the >>> right direction. >>> >>> I care about Wikidata and I know that at this time those freakingly hard >>> templates are the least of our worries. More problematic is that people >>> think of Wikidata as a service product for Wikipedia and limit their >>> thinking to templates. The existing search extension with WDQ is there. It >>> works really well. It is dismissed probably because it demonstrates that >>> ALL Wikipedias cover less than 50% of the subjects known to us. We know all >>> of them because of Wikidata. >>> >>> So yeah by all means blow the horn about our aspiration of servicing >>> templates in those projects that can handle this. It is fine. It is not >>> realistic and even counter productive as an aspiration when we do not >>> appreciate the reality as we have it at this time. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> >>> On 18 August 2014 14:41, Luca Martinelli <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 2014-08-17 17:00 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>>> > Hoi, >>>> > Importing data from Wikidata (where do you want it??) is just one >>>> > application. There are so many potential applications for structured >>>> data >>>> > and Wikidata implicitly covers the sum of all knowledge as we know it >>>> (in >>>> > the Wikimedia projects) so there are opportunities galore. >>>> > >>>> > For people "not to know how to" is a given. I do not care to know >>>> about >>>> > Wikipedia templates because they are freaking impossibly hard. >>>> >>>> Yet, if we don't use the Wikidata data in the "freaking impossibly >>>> hard" Wikipedia templates, what is the point of Wikidata as a >>>> Wikimedia project? >>>> >>>> I remember that this project had among its first goals to help >>>> disseminate structured data on all Wikimedia projects, in order to >>>> relieve the less-crowded WMF projects of their burden in managing such >>>> data and to let their few users focus on writing/translating/expanding >>>> their articles. Now, if we don't show to people on the WMF project - >>>> even the bigger ones - that Wikidata IS useful by helping them in >>>> retrieving these data, what is the point of this project? >>>> >>>> "There are so many potential application", I know, yet THIS IS ONE OF >>>> THEM -- and in my personal and humble opinion a damn important one. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Luca "Sannita" Martinelli >>>> http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utente:Sannita >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > > -- Etiamsi omnes, ego non
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