Hoi,
Actually I am a big fan of generated text. I blogged about it several
times. One thing I want is that those articles are cached. That the
mechanism is truly multi lingual. When templates are single language only,
they are not a Wikidata solution. Now that is a prerequisite a
Thanks,
GerardM
On 1 January 2015 at 18:57, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi, I exposed my view of how placeholder articles should work in a page
> where you contributed, maybe you did not read it as you are not really fond
> of the idea, see this diff
> <https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Article_placeholder_input&diff=prev&oldid=184600147>
> .
>
> Templates in a wikimedian context are wikitemplates like infobox, those
> who are defined in the "Template:" namespace in mediawiki wikis.
> They are used to generate infoboxes, they could as well be used to
> generate placeholder articles, think of code like "Template:stub human
> template"
>
> {{property:name}} is a person of {{property:country}} {{infobox person}}
>>
>
> to generate a stub article for people with no Wikipedia article, pretty
> much like Reasonator does.
>
> But there may be several templates of that kind who could generate stub
> articles. The idea is that a way to select the appropriate template for
> some kind of items is to use Wikibase queries. For example to say that if
> the item is in the result set of the query "all instances of human'', then
> the template "Template:stub human template" is appropriate to generate the
> stub article.
>
>
> 2015-01-01 18:38 GMT+01:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Hoi,
>> You do not make sense to me. A query is something I understand. What you
>> are saying about templates and list articles is very much "wishful
>> thinking". It bears no relation to anything I know.
>>
>> I really wonder how universal or practical your ideas are. To me it seems
>> very one dimensional and very much in line with article thinking. What are
>> templates for you. Where are they defined??
>> Thanks,
>> GerardM
>>
>> On 1 January 2015 at 18:25, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Mmm I'm not sure we are talking of the initial subject anymore.
>>>
>>> Placeholder and queries are (will be) generic tools. The idea that a
>>> WikiTemplate can be used to generate a stub article is also generic, and
>>> Wikibase works as a very generic level.
>>>
>>> The fact that a list article can potentially generated by a query is
>>> also true. The fact that several list article can countain link to the same
>>> article is also true.
>>>
>>>
>>> This imply that, if you map a template to a query and want to generate a
>>> stub article for a Wikipedian that search a subject that as no article with
>>> this template and the information that are on Wikidata about that subject,
>>> you might have several candidate template that the system would be aware of.
>>>
>>> For example if he searches is a scientist there is several infobox that
>>> could fit, the person infobox or the scientist one. The scientist infobox
>>> is the most specific one but we need a way in the generic placeholder
>>> article with this template in priority, assuming the idea is the rigth one
>>> of course.
>>>
>>> 2015-01-01 17:02 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> not to mention the simple fact that Wikidata has way more Flemish
>>>> painters than are in the English Wikipedia's list, for example just look at
>>>> this query for painters born in Antwerp:
>>>>
>>>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/autolist/autolist1.html?q=claim%5B106%3A1028181%5D%20and%20claim%5B19%3A12892%5D
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 1, 2015 at 1:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> For the list "Flemish surrealist painters" there is no intersection
>>>>> between "Flemish painter" or with "Surrealist painters". That list is in
>>>>> and of itself an article in a Wikipedia. In Wikidata you want the two
>>>>> properties separate so that you can be surprised with who fits in a list.
>>>>> It is not deterministic.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1 January 2015 at 13:23, Thomas Douillard <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think so. There always be intersections beetween lists. One
>>>>>> of the Flemish painter might also be in the list of surrealist painters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-12-30 14:41 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <[email protected]>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would suggest you are thinking from the wrong perspective. Think
>>>>>>> specific, and work your way from there. On the English Wikipedia, there
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> tons of lists which each have their own set of rules for list items.
>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>> makes a specific query much easier, tied to the list item on Wikidata.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> example, take a look at this list which uses a motley crew of
>>>>>>> references to
>>>>>>> keep redlinks from being deleted:
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Flemish_painters
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wikidata has well filled items for most of those redlinks, for which
>>>>>>> articles could be created using the PrepBio tool:
>>>>>>> http://tools.wmflabs.org/magnustools/prepbio.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Thomas Douillard <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi, I got an open question about Wikidata concepts, partly related
>>>>>>>> to the idea of selecting a templates wrt. a query for placeholder
>>>>>>>> articles.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One question about this idea is : what to do when several templates
>>>>>>>> are possible for an item, for example the item with no article is in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> result set of several queries associated with article stubs templates,
>>>>>>>> say:
>>>>>>>> * the query "anything", that could be associated with a totally
>>>>>>>> generic templates that shows a Wikibase page like article templates
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> shows all the claims about this item
>>>>>>>> * a more specific query "living organism"
>>>>>>>> * another even more specific query like "animal"
>>>>>>>> * ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In this example each more specific query results is obviously a
>>>>>>>> subset of each more generic one. In such cases it could be useful to
>>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>>> the template of the most specific one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the same spirit of the "subclass of" property we can create (or
>>>>>>>> reuse it) for the queries. But as no property has in Wikibase itself a
>>>>>>>> meaning, this means the choice of the template would not be possible
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> raw Wikibase concepts, which partly breaks the interests of the idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts about this problem ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers, TomT0m
>>>>>>>>
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