Hoi,
Great to hear about the collaboration between Wikipedias :)
I do not use those buttons imho it is not worth it It is quicker doing it
all from Wikidata for me.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 January 2015 at 12:49, Robin Owain <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Exactly, Fabian. We constantly adapt articles from Eng as well as 'local'
> wiki languages. For example the Gaudi article on cywiki is around 65% en;
> 30% ca and 5% external websites. Great work happening with the Content
> Translation Tool; just wish cy could have piloted it!
>
> The rich weave of languages on the loom of Wikipedia gives the tapestry
> its beauty and strength.
>
> I also agree that the wikidata button on WP needs simplifying!
>
> Robin
>
> On 29 January 2015 at 11:26, Fabian Tompsett <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> > I for one would bet that the number of page creators in any given
>> Wikipedia that know enough to even look at the left side of the page is
>> quite small. In my experience, most page creators are unaware that
>> Wikipedia exists in any language but their own
>>
>> mmm, an interesting perspective, but do we have any data? As we are in to
>> speculation here, I would hazard a guess that the smaller the Wikipedia the
>> more likely it is that page creators are aware that there are wikipedias in
>> other languages. So for example on Welsh Wicipedia
>> <https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafan> I would guess something close to
>> 100% of page creators are aware of English Wikipedia.
>>
>> <https://cy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafan>
>>
>> all the best
>>
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>> On 29 January 2015 at 11:00, Jane Darnell <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1 on collecting the click data! I for one would bet that the number of
>>> page creators in any given Wikipedia that know enough to even look at the
>>> left side of the page is quite small. In my experience, most page creators
>>> are unaware that Wikipedia exists in any language but their own
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Daniel Kinzler, 29/01/2015 11:24:
>>>> > As far as I recall, there is some very silly technical reason that
>>>> this is not
>>>> > easy to change at all. We tried to do this right when we introduced
>>>> the other
>>>> > widget, of course.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't recall what exactly the problem was though, and it might have
>>>> been fixed
>>>> > since. Worth another look...
>>>>
>>>> I see. I said "should" (ought to?). :P Is there a phabricator ticket
>>>> for this?
>>>>
>>>> Lydia Pintscher, 29/01/2015 11:31:
>>>>
>>>>> The issue with doing this when there are several sitelinks is that
>>>>> people will unknowingly merge items this way that should not be
>>>>> merged. That'd be a huge pita. We'll need to put some good thinking
>>>>> into this still. I have no good solution right now.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is a non-issue IMHO, as soon as my suggestion at
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T85776 /
>>>> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/transactions/detail/PHID-
>>>> XACT-TASK-zi2igyjlfqasknq/ is implemented.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> >This should be very easy to change. The dialog could then contain a
>>>>>> link to
>>>>>> >the Wikidata item for the case when one wants to edit or remove
>>>>>> links, until
>>>>>> >such a feature is added to the dialog itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Showing the dialog and requiring people to click would probably annoy
>>>>> people for having to click one additional time? Especially if their
>>>>> intention is clear.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is already a generic Wikidata link in the sidebar which users can
>>>> click; having two of them is a waste. Also, the drawback is much lower than
>>>> the gain: if I'm forced to visit an entry in Wikidata to edit a sitelink, I
>>>> have to spend X seconds to load the entry, then find the "add" button etc,
>>>> spend additional N links; if I really want to go to the Wikidata entry,
>>>> having to click in a dialog is just one click more and a fraction of second
>>>> spent.
>>>>
>>>> If you really think the "add one link" case is minoritary for those who
>>>> click the edit links button, I trust you, but we should have click tracking
>>>> data to back this. Personally, I'd bet 85 % of users clicking the button
>>>> just wants to add one link and expects to see the dialog they usually see
>>>> to add links (when there are none).
>>>>
>>>> Nemo
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