Sebastian, Thanks very much for the explanation. It was a single missing word, "ontology," which led me astray. If the opening sentence had said "based on the DBpedia ontology," I probably would have figured it out. Your amplification of the underlying motivation helps me better understand what's driving this though.
I guess I had naively abandoned critical thinking and assumed DBpedia was dead now that we had WikiData without thinking about how the two could evolve / compete / cooperate / thrive. Good luck! Best regards, Tom On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Sebastian Hellmann < [email protected]> wrote: > Your description sounds quite close to what we had in mind. The high level > group is manifesting quite well, the domain groups are planned as pilots > for selected domains (e.g. Law or Mobility). > > I lost a bit the overview on the data classification. We might auto-link > or crowdsource. I would need to ask others, however. > > We are aiming to create a structure that allows stability and innovation > in an economic way - - I see this as the real challenge... > > Jolly good show, > Sebastian > > > > > On 11 March 2015 20:53:55 CET, John Flynn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This is a very ambitious, but commendable, goal. To map all data on the >> web to the DBpedia ontology is a huge undertaking that will take many >> years of effort. However, if it can be accomplished the potential payoff is >> also huge and could result in the realization of a true Semantic Web. Just >> as with any very large and complex software development effort, there needs >> to be a structured approach to achieving the desired results. That >> structured approach probably involves a clear requirements analysis and >> resulting requirements documentation. It also requires a design document >> and an implementation document, as well as risk assessment and risk >> mitigation. While there is no bigger believer in the "build a little, test >> a little" rapid prototyping approach to development, I don't think that is >> appropriate for a project of this size and complexity. Also, the size and >> complexity also suggest the final product will likely be beyond the scope >> of any individual to fully comprehend the overall ontological structure. >> Therefore, a reasonable approach might be to break the effort into smaller, >> comprehensible segments. Since this is a large ontology development effort, >> segmenting the ontology into domains of interest and creating working >> groups to focus on each domain might be a workable approach. There would >> also need to be a working group that focus on the top levels of the >> ontology and monitors the domain working groups to ensure overall >> compatibility and reduce the likelihood of duplicate or overlapping >> concepts in the upper levels of the ontology and treats universal concepts >> such as space and time consistently. There also needs to be a clear, >> and hopefully simple, approach to mapping data on the web to the DBpedia >> ontology that will accommodate both large data developers and web site >> developers. It would be wonderful to see the worldwide web community >> get behind such an initiative and make rapid progress in realizing this >> commendable goal. However, just as special interests defeated the goal of >> having a universal software development approach (Ada), I fear the same >> sorts of special interests will likely result in a continuation of the >> current myriad development efforts. I understand the "one size doesn't fit >> all" arguments, but I also think "one size could fit a whole lot" could be >> the case here. >> >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> >> John Flynn >> >> http://semanticsimulations.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Sebastian Hellmann [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:12 AM >> *To:* Tom Morris; Dimitris Kontokostas >> *Cc:* Wikidata Discussion List; dbpedia-ontology; >> [email protected]; DBpedia-Developers >> *Subject:* Re: [Dbpedia-discussion] [Dbpedia-developers] DBpedia-based >> RDF dumps for Wikidata >> >> >> >> Dear Tom, >> >> let me try to answer this question in a more general way. In the future, >> we honestly consider to map all data on the web to the DBpedia ontology >> (extending it where it makes sense). We hope that this will enable you to >> query many data sets on the Web using the same queries. >> >> As a convenience measure, we will get a huge download server that >> provides all data from a single point in consistent formats and consistent >> metadata, classified by the DBpedia Ontology. Wikidata is just one >> example, there is also commons, Wiktionary (hopefully via DBnary), data >> from companies, DBpedia members and EU projects. >> >> all the best, >> Sebastian >> >> On 11.03.2015 06:11, Tom Morris wrote: >> >> Dimitris, Soren, and DBpedia team, >> >> >> >> That sounds like an interesting project, but I got lost between the >> statement of intent, below, and the practical consequences: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 5:05 PM, Dimitris Kontokostas < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> we made some different design choices and map wikidata data directly into >> the DBpedia ontology. >> >> >> >> What, from your point of view, is the practical consequence of these >> different design choices? How do the end results manifest themselves to >> the consumers? >> >> >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Dive into the >> World of Parallel Programming The Go Parallel Website, sponsored >> >> by Intel and developed in partnership with Slashdot Media, is your hub for >> all >> >> things parallel software development, from weekly thought leadership blogs to >> >> news, videos, case studies, tutorials and more. Take a look and join the >> >> conversation now. http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/ >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Dbpedia-developers mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dbpedia-developers >> >> >> >> -- >> Sebastian Hellmann >> AKSW/NLP2RDF research group >> Insitute for Applied Informatics (InfAI) and DBpedia Association >> Events: >> * *Feb 9th, 2015* 3rd DBpedia Community Meeting in Dublin >> <http://wiki.dbpedia.org/meetings/Dublin2015> >> * *May 29th, 2015* Submission deadline SEMANTiCS 2015 >> * *Sept 15th-17th, 2015* SEMANTiCS 2015 (formerly i-SEMANTICS), Vienna >> <http://semantics.cc/> >> Venha para a Alemanha como PhD: http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/csf >> Projects: http://dbpedia.org, http://nlp2rdf.org, >> http://linguistics.okfn.org, https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt >> <http://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt> >> Homepage: http://aksw.org/SebastianHellmann >> Research Group: http://aksw.org >> Thesis: >> http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis-summary >> http://tinyurl.com/sh-thesis >> >> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >
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