Hoi Romaine, Great news :) I would personally love it when the Dutch Wikipedians look after their dead. It does not get my eye and I think it is important to know at least about the recently dearly departed. Thanks, GerardM
On 30 April 2015 at 01:07, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Lydia, > > The Dutch community (on the Dutch Wikipedia) had a voting in which was > decided to get rid of all the interwikis on articles, categories, > templates, project pages and help pages. The moving or removal of all > interwikis has been completed a few days ago, with what we have tried to > fix all the interwiki conflicts we found. We also have an active abuse > filter that prevents users to add local interwikis to these pages. > Instead we actively communicate in person to every user that creates a new > article which has not been added to Wikidata. We aim for that every article > is added to Wikidata with a label in Dutch and at least the property *instance > of*. And for many subjects multiple statements. > > With actively communicating to users that they should add their new > article to Wikidata, the most heard reaction is that they did not know that > it is good to have it added to Wikidata. The second most heard issue we > hear is that they find it difficult to add articles to Wikidata (including > adding statements). > > For those users who were in the past used to add interwikis are now > actively adding their articles to existing Wikidata items. This special > page we use to found out which articles have been forgotten to add to > (existing) items on Wikidata. I have a templated message that notes those > users if they forgot to add their article to an existing item and reminds > them that such is needed. > For users who are writing articles about typical Dutch subjects which are > not expected to have an article in another language Wikipedia, it is new > and I have a templated message that informs them why it is needed to create > an item on Wikidata, tells them how to, and asks them to add some > statements. We use the special page UnconnectedPages to see which articles > have not been added yet to Wikidata. > > Another group of pages we try to find with this special page are the ones > that have been removed from an item without being added to an item. > > The special pages makes it possible for me to just select with my mouse > the list and then compare it in Autowikibrowser (still a pity we can't use > AWB for items on Wikidata) to have see which of the unconnected pages is in > which category, or which template, so we can groupewise add them to > Wikidata. > > > > So to conclude, this special page is essential for our work to get all the > Wikipedia articles to Wikidata. > The adding, by the way, we like to to do by hand so that we can at least > add some basic statements depending on the subject. Sometimes it is > possible to use a tool to create items and add statements to a group of > articles, but most of them are done by hand. (If it is done by bot/tool we > get like 1000 items with only p17=q55, and that is as bad as nothing.) To > do it by hand we make sure the most basic properties are added. > > > The biggest issue we face with using is that the page is not real time > updated, and that pages that already are added to Wikidata are still in the > list. We then have to do a nulledit on the article to get them removed from > the list. Another delay are the articles that were removed from an item do > not show up directly. (Was it removed correctly from that item or was it an > error or vandalism? It requires a lot of searching to find that out, if it > is found.) > > > Another subject we have, but we can work around it by just ignoring them, > are those articles that are newly created and nominated for deletion as non > encyclopaedic or too worse written to be kept. They are nominated for > deletion. The procedure for this kind of articles is that they have a > template on them which says they are nominated, and after 2 weeks an admin > looks at them and judges if they should be kept, deleted or the nomination > period is extended to give extra time to the writers/users to fix the > issues. During this period of two weeks the article is on the special page > of unconnected pages, of which a part is expected to be deleted. During > these two weeks the articles nominated for deletion are making the special > page a bit clumsy. (Maybe it is an idea to have magic word added to the > deletion templates so that the articles that are nominated for deletion and > not connected on Wikidata, show up at the bottom of the articles. I think > those articles nominated for deletion should be on the special page, > because I can imagine users would accidental add such magic word to the > article and a magic word that would prevent being shown on the list is > risky for abuse/mistakes. However, as most users start at the top of the > special page, the pages nominated for deletion clutter on top of the > special page as they are ignored.) > > > In the current special page besides articles (ns:0) also other namespaces > are shown: Wikipedia, Templates, help pages, categories, portal pages, > modules. > The problem with many pages in those sections are subpages. Examples: > archive pages of discussion pages, /doc pages of templates, archive pages > of our helpdesk, and subpages of portals are not needed to be added to > Wikidata. > With categories have another issue: categories of an individual user, > those should like user pages not be added to Wikidata. > > I would recommend to have users see by default only articles (ns:0), but > with a menu on top of this special page in what users can select the > namespace they want to see, or the option all namespaces. (Like the recent > changes have such option.) > > > I hope this gives some insight in how we use this special page. I am > interested in what kind of changes you have in mind, and I hope we can > still use the special page as we now do. Certainly as we do not have an > real time alternative for it. > > If there are any questions, just let me know. > > > Greetings, > Romaine > > > > > > 2015-04-29 17:36 GMT+02:00 Lydia Pintscher <lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de>: > >> Hey folks :) >> >> We've been looking into performance issues of the special page >> Special:UnconnectedPages (like >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UnconnectedPages for example). >> There are a few improvements we can make to make it work better. >> However to evaluate if we can make those changes or not I need to know >> what you are currently using this page for exactly. >> So if you're using it it'd be great if you could tell me how you're >> using it currently to achieve what exactly. >> >> >> Cheers >> Lydia >> >> -- >> Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher >> Product Manager for Wikidata >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. >> Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 >> 10963 Berlin >> www.wikimedia.de >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. 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