Once IPA is there it may be easier to provide Text-to-speech automatically.
2015-05-02 16:57 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard <[email protected]>: > I'll all with you, on this, unfortunately only a few people reads IPA > currently :(. I don't, for example. > > 2015-05-02 15:19 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > >> Hoi, >> When the point is to express how an official name is to be pronounced, >> IPA is in order not a text in another script. >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 1 May 2015 at 11:04, Bene* <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> this is what the monolingual text datatype is for. The labels however >>> are multilingual and should provide users in all languages an idea how the >>> name is said. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Bene >>> >>> >>> Am 01.05.2015 um 07:14 schrieb Gerard Meijssen: >>> >>> Hoi, >>> It is still a bad idea. An official name exists only in one language. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 30 April 2015 at 18:50, Thomas Douillard <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I meant "add automatically the transliteration", not replace the name. >>>> >>>> This is a good candidate : we know for sure the source and the target >>>> language (the one of the user) so a good choice for transliteration method >>>> is always possible, and we don't pretend it should be the way to say orally >>>> the name in the target language. It's just a transliteration of the >>>> official name. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-04-30 15:14 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> Hoi, >>>>> It does not quality anything. It is plain wrong. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> GerardM >>>>> >>>>> On 30 April 2015 at 15:06, Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. The "official name " property always has the name in the >>>>>> original script. But we can and should have the transliteration in a >>>>>> qualifier. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> On 30 Apr 2015 06:13, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>> We transliterate every name from one script to the other. >>>>>>> Transliteration the official name is exactly the one you should not >>>>>>> transliterate.. What is left after transliteration is not official. >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 29 April 2015 at 18:54, Thomas Douillard < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's always possible to transliterate the official name >>>>>>>> <https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1448>property. Of course >>>>>>>> this should be done by a gadget, or we may have to find a special >>>>>>>> treatment >>>>>>>> for the ''name'' properties. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2015-04-28 23:06 GMT+02:00 Joe Filceolaire <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I agree up to a point. Transliteration is not appropriate for >>>>>>>>> labels for all items. There are however a few categories of items for >>>>>>>>> which transliterated labels are appropriate. For example : >>>>>>>>> * English labels for villages and towns >>>>>>>>> * English labels for people >>>>>>>>> *English labels for bands and albums >>>>>>>>> I'm sure there are others that could use this too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Joe >>>>>>>>> On 27 Apr 2015 18:09, "Leon Liesener" < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The problem with ISO is that it's a standard for >>>>>>>>>> language-independent >>>>>>>>>> transliteration to Latin script. Since labels on Wikidata are >>>>>>>>>> language-dependent, making use of ISO does not make sense really. >>>>>>>>>> If >>>>>>>>>> you use ISO for Russian names in Cyrillic script, the label you >>>>>>>>>> get is >>>>>>>>>> not in English. It's still in Russian but transliterated to Latin >>>>>>>>>> script. ISO thus would only fit as an alias for the Russian >>>>>>>>>> interface >>>>>>>>>> language, if at all. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 2015-04-26 22:39 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> > Hoi, >>>>>>>>>> > <grin> ISO is a reliable source; it is THE standard </grin> >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia is >>>>>>>>>> > definitely not a standard by its own admission. >>>>>>>>>> > Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> > GerardM >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On 26 April 2015 at 22:37, Yaroslav M. Blanter < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On 2015-04-26 22:33, Gerard Meijssen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> Hoi >>>>>>>>>> >>> My point is that it is not a given that we should follow any >>>>>>>>>> WIkipedia >>>>>>>>>> >>> for anything. Also the point of romanisation of Russian is >>>>>>>>>> not for the >>>>>>>>>> >>> benefit of Russian speakers, it is for the speakers of >>>>>>>>>> English. >>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> >>> GerardM >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On one hand, yes. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On the other hand, no reliable source uses ISO. When NYT >>>>>>>>>> writes about a >>>>>>>>>> >> Russian person, they do not use ISO, they use what the English >>>>>>>>>> Wikipedia >>>>>>>>>> >> uses or smth similar. In my passport, they do not use ISO >>>>>>>>>> (fortunately), why >>>>>>>>>> >> should then ISO be used on Wikidata in an entry about me? >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >> Yaroslav >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> > [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing >>> [email protected]https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikidata-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikidata-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l > >
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