Hoi,
Really, how? We have over 280 Wikipedias, we have Wikisources etc. How do
you realistically think there would be something useful?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 5 April 2016 at 13:48, John Erling Blad <[email protected]> wrote:
> First you say that the heuristic isn't perfect, then you say that "As long
> as we don't have notability criteria in a machine readable format we can
> only work with heuristics." and then "And I really don't believe machine
> readable notability criteria is something we should strive for." If the
> heuristic isn't perfect then alternatives should be investigated. There are
> already machine readable notability criterias in there, the only thing
> missing is exposing them, probably by using the existing relations.
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 4:28 PM John Erling Blad <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Just read through the doc, and found some important points. I post each
>>> one in a separate mail.
>>>
>>> > Since it is hard to decide which content is actually notable, the
>>> items appear-
>>> > ing in the search should be limited to the ones having at least one
>>> statements
>>> > and two sitelinks to the same project (like Wikipedia or Wikivoyage).
>>>
>>> This is a good baseline, but figuring out what is notable locally is a
>>> bit more involved. A language is used in a local area, and within that area
>>> some items are more important just because they reside within the area.
>>> This is quite noticeable in the differences between nnwiki and nowiki which
>>> both basically covers "Norway". Also items that somehow relates to the
>>> local area or language is more noticeable than those outside those areas.
>>> By traversing upwords in the claims using the "part of" property it is
>>> possible to build a priority on the area involved. It is possible to
>>> traverse "nationality" and a few other properties.
>>>
>>> Things directly noticeable like an area enclosed in an area using the
>>> language is somewhat easy to identify, but things that are noticeable by
>>> association with another noticeable thing is not. Like a Danish slave ship
>>> operated by a Norwegian firm, the ship is thus noticeable in nowiki. I
>>> would say that all things linked as an item from other noticeable things
>>> should be included. Some would perhaps say that "items with second order
>>> relevance should be included".
>>>
>>
>> Yes the heuristic we're using isn't perfect. However I believe it is good
>> enough for 99% of the cases while being really simple. This is what we need
>> at the beginning. As we go along we can learn and see if other things make
>> more sense.
>> We have taken the exact same approach to ranking for item suggestions on
>> Wikidata. At first all we took into account was the number of sitelinks on
>> the items. This definitely wasn't a perfect measure for how relevant an
>> item is but it was absolutely good enough while introducing very little
>> complexity. As we've learned more and as Wikidata grows it was no longer
>> good enough so we switched the algorithm to also take into account the
>> number of labels. This is still relatively low complexity while producing
>> good results.
>> For the particular case of notability: As long as we don't have
>> notability criteria in a machine readable format we can only work with
>> heuristics. And I really don't believe machine readable notability criteria
>> is something we should strive for.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Lydia
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