Hoi,
My answer is that every past king is not a king but an office holder. For
me the name king is just a label; there is no logic in the way it is
applied. There are empires where the office holder is called a king for
instance... For me they are all monarchs. They are associated with a
specific country.
This prevents illogical things like "follows" on a person; for me they are
qualifiers because all too often one person can have multiple predecessors
and successors. It is the only sane way to do this (imho).
Thanks,
GerardM
On 9 January 2017 at 13:36, Markus Kroetzsch <[email protected]
> wrote:
> On 09.01.2017 12:55, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> It is in the logic. When a king is a monarch and a monarch is a
>> politician I am fine. But when people insist that a "King of Iberia" is
>> a subclass it does not make sense. People hold the office of and it is
>> singular. When such things result in struggles, I think we have a problem.
>>
>
> I would say: "Every King of Iberia was also a king."
>
> Only the "current king of Iberia" is a single person, but Wikidata is
> about all of history, so there are many such kings. The office of "King of
> Iberia" is still singular (it is a singular class) and it can have its own
> properties etc. I would therefore say (without having checked the page):
>
> King of Iberia instance of office
> King of Iberia subclass of king
>
>
>> I have asked in the past to explain the nonsense on items like monarch.
>> When I look at Reasonator there is so much that is plain problematic
>> that it is best to ignore it. What complicates it is that the ontology
>> seems to end with politician and that is a travesty in and of itself.
>> With other "occupations" there is a wealth of upper levels that seem to
>> be completely arbitrary and when asked I find it reasonable that nobody
>> steps up to explain because the consequences of answers are problematic.
>>
>
> I agree that there are many cases that need to be modelled in a more
> coherent way. I can only imagine progress in this area to happen on a
> case-by-case basis. One really has to look into the details and check what
> works best in each case. Often there is no wrong or right here, but there
> is a choice how to model things. But once a choice is made, it should be
> applied coherently throughout.
>
> Regards,
>
> Markus
>
>
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