We have also other properties on Wikidata to refine partial knowledge about the chronology of a life : https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1317 – floruit https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2032 / https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P2031 — floruit begin and end that may overlap with https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1319 https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P1326
I found myself sometimes using a century precision date for somebody we don’t really have information about the date of death but know it lived on some century. Le ven. 20 sept. 2019 à 00:25, Olaf Simons <olaf.sim...@pierre-marteau.com> a écrit : > On FactGrid we created two properties for this (maybe clever, maybe daft): > P290 and P291 for estimates (or for knowledge) of an earliest and latest > point in the life span. The necessity is here that we have loads of people > with just a single data point like "studied in Jena in 1776" or "appeared > on a list of voters in 1849". If that is all you know, you do actually know > that the person is likely to have a birth date some 17 (or in the voters > case at least 21) years before. > > If a person is only once mentioned as retired that stretches the P290 date > to some 60 years before and so on - you qualify the estimate accordingly. > > I have no idea whether this is a good move on our site since we are not > really that advanced in running the more intriguing SPARQL searches. > > Olaf > > > > > > Fabrizio Carrai <fabrizio.car...@gmail.com> hat am 19. September 2019 > um 22:13 geschrieben: > > > > > > So, the question is if it would be fine and ethic to set the "Date of > > death" to "unknown" on the base of an old date of birth. > > And about the biography of living persons, I found this [1] > > > > Deceased persons, corporations, or groups of personsRecently dead or > > probably dead > > Anyone born within the past 115 years (on or after 19 September 1904) is > > covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their > death. > > Generally, this policy does not apply to material concerning people who > are > > confirmed dead by reliable sources. The only exception would be for > people > > who have recently died, in which case the policy can extend for an > > indeterminate period beyond the date of death—six months, one year, two > > years at the outside. Such extensions would apply particularly to > > contentious or questionable material about the dead that has implications > > for their living relatives and friends, such as in the case of a possible > > suicide or a particularly gruesome crime. *Even absent confirmation of > > death, for the purposes of this policy anyone born more than 115 years > ago > > is presumed dead* *unless* reliable sources confirm the person to have > been > > living within the past two years. If the date of birth is unknown, > editors > > should use reasonable judgement to infer—from dates of events noted in > the > > article—if it is plausible that the person was born within the last 115 > > years and is therefore covered by this policy. > > > > This would support the set of "Date of death" to "unknown" on the base of > > the "Date of birth". It remains hard to verify typo errors, but we are > > doing our best to verify the data of the several wikiprojects. > > > > The property set would become effective if done in mass by a bot or > similar. > > > > By the way, I would extend be period to 122 years [2] > > > > FabC > > > > [1] > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Deceased_persons,_corporations,_or_groups_of_persons > > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_people > > > > Il giorno gio 19 set 2019 alle ore 21:29 Andy Mabbett < > > a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > > > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 07:53, Fabrizio Carrai < > fabrizio.car...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I found athletes with the "Date of born" but with NO "date of death". > > > > So a query on the age show me athletes up to 149 years old. > > > > Since the oldest know person was 122, what about to set "date of > > > > death = unknown value" for all the persons resulting older such age ? > > > > > > Yes, but check that the date of birth isn't a typo (i.e. 1875 instead > > > of 1975; or 1894 instead of 1984). > > > > > > Showing a living person as being dead would be a serious breach of the > > > BLP policy. > > > > > > -- > > > Andy Mabbett > > > @pigsonthewing > > > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikidata mailing list > > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Fabrizio* > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikidata mailing list > > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata > > Dr. Olaf Simons > Forschungszentrum Gotha der Universität Erfurt > Schloss Friedenstein, Pagenhaus > 99867 Gotha > > Büro: +49-361-737-1722 > Mobil: +49-179-5196880 > > Privat: Hauptmarkt 17b/ 99867 Gotha > > _______________________________________________ > Wikidata mailing list > Wikidata@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata >
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