Hi Leigh, 

That will be a good start. Thankx. BTW, how did you sort out the display
size problem in WE?

Wayne 

On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 09:47 +1200, Leigh Blackall wrote:

> I will produce a screen recording to start the resources for using
> Blip.tv RSS feeds in Wikieducator so as to embed videos.
> 
> Here is an example to start us off
> http://wikieducator.org/Horticulture
> 
> Remember - 67% of the primary target market do not have access to
> these videos.
> 
> So the CD content that can be generated from an RSS feed from Blip.tv
> would be a big advance for us.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:31 AM, Wayne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>         Hi Leigh -- 
>         
>         Your video RSS feeds from Blip TV are very impressive!  Would
>         you consider developing a tutorial for WikiEducators on how to
>         do this.  We still need a tutorial on the rss extension -- and
>         the video can be a sub-section. So holding thumbs that you
>         will consider taking this on.
>         
>         Without being facetious --- A CDROM transported by bicycle to
>         remote rural areas is broadband connectivity for asynchronous
>         learning.  I think what we are trying to say is that
>         connectivity shouldn't be an excuse to exclude learners from
>         rich multimedia learning experiences that are possible through
>         video etc.  At a rudimentary level both CD's and Internet are
>         "carrier" technologies as well.  Storing data digitally in
>         open formats allows us to disaggregate content from its
>         delivery technology.  
>         
>         I don't think that our approach in WikiEducator to cater for
>         multiple bandwidth scenarios is simplistic -- on the contrary,
>         I believe that we're being quite innovative in tackling the
>         challenge.  That said -- the reality for billions of learners
>         is that they will not be privileged to experience the real
>         power of social software --- however, if we're smart we can
>         achieve social networking through a variety of technologies --
>         albeit that sometimes we need to use legacy carrier
>         technologies. 
>         
>         A few further thoughts to this evolving discussion on how we
>         can push the envelope in a responsible way.
>         
>         Cheers
>         Wayne
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 09:16 +1200, Leigh Blackall wrote:
>         
>         > 67% of NZ is not connected to anything faster than 200k.
>         > 
>         > It is Tasmania that is 68%
>         > 
>         > On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Leigh Blackall
>         > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         > 
>         >         68% of NZ is not connected to anything faster than
>         >         200k.
>         >         
>         >         33% have no connection what-so-ever. 34% are on dial
>         >         up. Yet, it is in this context that I lobby for
>         >         these so-called high bandwidth technologies.. why
>         >         would I do such a thing?
>         >         
>         >         I think the perspective of different services for
>         >         low and high bandwidth users is too simplistic and
>         >         not helpful.
>         >         
>         >         With the right people/designers all bandwidth issues
>         >         (low bandwidth, expensive bandwidth, no bandwidth) -
>         >         we would more likely find manymore ways to bridge
>         >         the gaps that are not being explored yet. This is
>         >         why I strongly suggest bringing people like Brian
>         >         Lamb into our work. People like Brian would do
>         >         wonders for the effort because of their proven
>         >         abilities to think laterally. 
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 6:32 AM, Randy Fisher
>         >         <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         >         
>         >                 Hi All,
>         >                 
>         >                 Good exchange of perspectives - 
>         >                 
>         >                 I've added the gist of the comments to the
>         >                 Community Building Strategy page. (Hilaryp
>         >                 didn't have to ask this time... :-)
>         >                 
>         >                 
> http://www.wikieducator.org/WikiEducator:Community_building_strategy#Reconciling_High-_and_Low-Bandwidth_Approaches
>         >                 
>         >                 Randy 
>         >                 
>         >                 
>         >                 
>         >                 On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Wayne
>         >                 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>         >                 
>         >                         Hi WE friends,
>         >                         
>         >                         These are tough challenges.
>         >                         
>         >                         My personal view is that we should
>         >                         try to promote and support both low
>         >                         bandwidth and high bandwidth
>         >                         approaches in our collective
>         >                         mission-- with one caveat, that is
>         >                         to find creative ways of
>         >                         transforming high bandwidth
>         >                         solutions for low-bandwidth
>         >                         technologies. 
>         >                         
>         >                         One of our core values is that of
>         >                         social inclusion and the notion that
>         >                         access to ICTs is a fundamental
>         >                         right of knowledge citizens. This is
>         >                         not to say that we should negate our
>         >                         primary focus in connecting the
>         >                         unconnected and turning the digital
>         >                         divide into digital dividends.  I
>         >                         think WE has performed admirably in
>         >                         the latter with our wiki ==> print
>         >                         technology being a show case
>         >                         example. 
>         >                         
>         >                         Speaking with colleagues in Africa,
>         >                         I believe we have a far greater
>         >                         challenge than access to ICTs and
>         >                         that it access to free content.
>         >                         Access to the Internet will improve
>         >                         all over the world over time and we
>         >                         need to prepare for this eventuality
>         >                         by developing a free alternative of
>         >                         the "education curriculum" for all
>         >                         sectors and levels.  The advantage
>         >                         of WikiEducator's experimenting with
>         >                         high bandwidth examples is that we
>         >                         may find creative solutions that we
>         >                         would not have otherwise
>         >                         considered. 
>         >                         
>         >                         For example, with our  wiki ==> pdf
>         >                         technology we could develop print
>         >                         specific templates for rich media
>         >                         (eg audio and video.) It would be
>         >                         technically possible with our
>         >                         architecture when opting for a
>         >                         printed version of WE content, that
>         >                         the parser could generate an ISO
>         >                         CDROM image of the rich media and
>         >                         automatically reference this in the
>         >                         printed study guide.  In the text an
>         >                         activity might say -- Go and look at
>         >                         Video Number 7 on your CDROM and
>         >                         answer the following questions". The
>         >                         CDROM could then be posted with the
>         >                         print editions of the study guides
>         >                         produced in WIkiEducator. Remote
>         >                         leaners could then view the videos
>         >                         at local Internet cafes or
>         >                         mutli-purpose comunity centres. 
>         >                         
>         >                         I'll send Brian an email and ask
>         >                         whether he wants to pop over to our
>         >                         list and bring us up to date with
>         >                         activities at UBC.
>         >                         
>         >                         Cheers
>         >                         Wayne 
>         >                         
>         >                         
>         >                         
>         >                         
>         >                         On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 09:08 -0700,
>         >                         Peter wrote: 
>         >                         
>         >                         > While I agree with Leigh's inferred 
> sentiments about Brian. This
>         >                         > promotion begs a question for me. Should 
> we be focusing on high
>         >                         > bandwidth content at this time? Given 
> what I perceive as the mission
>         >                         > of WE to focus more on the developing 
> world shouldn't our focus be on
>         >                         > low bandwidth content? Shouldn't we focus 
> on context, quality,
>         >                         > infrastructure, localization and reuse 
> issues? Before we focus on high-
>         >                         > bandwidth technologies?
>         >                         > 
>         >                         > And Yes, I do perceive Brian as a 
> high-bandwidth guy... He
>         >                         > increasingly enjoys and leverages high 
> bandwidth technologies...
>         >                         > 
>         >                         > My $0.02 worth, I certainly home Brian 
> jumps into this discussion
>         >                         > thread...
>         >                         > 
>         >                         > Peter
>         >                         > 
>         >                         > 
>         >                         > On Jun 7, 9:42 am, "Wayne" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
>         >                         > > Yip -- I first met Brian when I joined 
> Auckland uni back in 2002. Brian
>         >                         > > rocks.
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > Brian knows about WE and has posted 
> about us a few times on abject
>         >                         > > learning. We see each other about 2 or 
> three times a year.
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > We are planning to run an L4C workshop 
> at UBC. BTW UBC are working on
>         >                         > > some impressive code for Mediawiki for 
> aggregating courses through RSS.
>         >                         > > This is something we might be able to 
> implement in the future.
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > >  The downside is that UBC is a very 
> traditional and conservative uni -
>         >                         > > -so having examples of progressive IP 
> policies are important beacons
>         >                         > > <smile>.
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > Cheers
>         >                         > > W
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 20:42 +1200, 
> Leigh Blackall wro
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > 
> >http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/brian/archives/046602.php
>         >                         > >
>         >                         > > > --
>         >                         > > > --
>         >                         > > > Leigh Blackall
>         >                         > > > +64(0)21736539
>         >                         > > > skype - leigh_blackall
>         >                         > > > SL - Leroy Goalpost
>         >                         > > >http://learnonline.wordpress.com- Hide 
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>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > 
>         > -- 
>         > --
>         > Leigh Blackall
>         > +64(0)21736539
>         > skype - leigh_blackall
>         > SL - Leroy Goalpost
>         > http://learnonline.wordpress.com
>         > 
>         
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> 
> -- 
> --
> Leigh Blackall
> +64(0)21736539
> skype - leigh_blackall
> SL - Leroy Goalpost
> http://learnonline.wordpress.com
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