Hi Leo,
I think you bring up an important point. Indeed, education is not just about content; it’s about what we (learners and those who interact with them) do with the content. That means that it is also about the ability to go beyond the content given, which has profound implications for how we present content and for the environment we create in which the content is being offered. It’s something to be kept in mind in collectively caring for the WE environment. Jan -- Jan Visser, Ph.D. President & Sr. Researcher, Learning Development Institute E-mail: [email protected] Check out: http://www.learndev.org and http://www.facebook.com/learndev Blog: http://jvisser-ldi.blogspot.com/ _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Wong Leo Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:19 AM To: [email protected] Cc: sociallearnlab Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] perception Dear Valerie Can we think of this question from another perspective , what is the diffeernce between wikipedia and wikieducator ? of course we can see that both of them need to think of quality issue , however I think a big difference is if we just put content into the Wikieducator , can we call it educational ? I personally like teacher when they utlise something so called " Non-educational " and combine it with their classes or put it into curriulum . to give you a good example in China , www.haokanbu.com is not a educational website ( it is for sharing photos and stories it is like Flickr but absolutely not ) but , many teacher began to use it, so it became " educational" tool for many teachers ,however , I found that most of teacher are from Instrucational technology field , instead of from other subjects , is this also happening in your countries ?? I really like to hear what other people feel abt this ? Leo 2010/1/21 Edward Cherlin <[email protected]> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 20:50, valerie <[email protected]> wrote: > As an assignment in a community college course, my students are asked > to find a learning resource in WikiEducator. Finding good learning > objects in WE can be difficult, so I have included this assignment to > have students find what they thought was complete and interesting. > Although there is usually some frustration, they find some amazing WE > pages. I'm accumulating a list of pages they discover. > > However, sometimes I get more information and feedback than I > bargained for... I though this was an interesting comment from one of > my students. > "Also, the color scheme and design of the website is exactly the same > as Wikipedia.org. Wikipedia is known for false information, and cannot > be used for research papers. I feel that this site is similar to > Wikipedia; therefore, this site's information cannot be trusted." A very common and elementary fallacy. Assuming A and B have property X. A has property Y. we are given the incorrect conclusion Therefore B has property Y. Easily shown to be nonsense using a Venn diagram, which unfortunately I cannot include in a text message. X and Y should be overlapping regions, with neither included in the other. Then A is in X and Y, while B is in X but not in Y. > Sigh... Yes, some of our faculty are convinced that Wikipedia and by > association, all wikis, especially those that look like Wikipedia > because they use Mediawiki are evil and populated by gangs of internet > hooligans intent on provide false information to unsuspecting web > users. They explicitly forbid the use of Wikipedia. > > Has anyone else heard of similar credibility issues for WikiEducator > content? It is true that Wikipedia should never be cited as a primary source for research. The same is generally true of other Wikis. The correct attitude is not to ban use of Wikis, but to require that students find the original sources for the information in the Wiki, and to study and cite those sources. You should not take the word of any participant here for fact, but should yourself look at the research papers, software, learning materials, and methods recommended and evaluate them accordingly. Wikis are neither more nor less reliable than other published encyclopedias, newspapers, TV, or other secondary and tertiary sources. Of course, many primary sources, such as research articles using improper methodolgy and drawing unwarranted conclusions, are also utterly unreliable. There is no magic in correct scientific method, only careful work. > Is this something that is limiting adoption of WE learning > objects? No. > ..Valerie > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "WikiEducator" group. > To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org > To visit the discussion forum: http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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