Hi Anil I agree, the risks of enclosure or sites which are discontinued due to lack of funding is an issure for both OER and open access materials. This is why we encourage educators to replicate OER resources on as many repositories as possible.
The wiki keeps an accurate history of every edit and it is possible to reference a historic instance of any page. So for example, using the Link feature on the WikiEducator toolbox, it is possible to specify the specifc revision instance of a document hosted on Wikieducator whichwould enable any site which supports the iframe tag to embed the orginal version. For this reason it is not necessary to lock down editing on the orginal version. Moreover, a static version is also available on the COL and UNESCO websites. Wayne Mackintosh OER Foundation (Mobile) On Dec 2, 2011 6:32 PM, "Anil Prasad" <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dr. Wayne, > > There are two scenarios that keep on triggering my thoughts in this > direction :) > > Scenario one: > > Disappearances of existing OERs: I think V. Krishna Moorthy’s comment on > one of my google + updates can provide a picturesque description of the > scenario “Many OERs I see them disappearing from their respective servers > due to want of funds or personnel or no-takers. Immediate efforts should be > to mirror them, as per need, by permissions, in a way they can ride on a > permanent clouds....who will bell the right CAT for such operations!!!!” > > Scenario Two: > > In future, if some educational institution in the OERu network want to add > their study materials in WE with CC-BY or CC-BY-SA freedoms and request us > to provide a facility to keep the originals to be used by the teachers as > well as students of their ongoing courses, while giving freedom to WE > community and members in the OERu network to copy the content to other WE > pages or other sites for developing derivative works (the scenario one can > become the reason for such a request) – how shall we handle this scenario? > > > On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Wayne Mackintosh < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Anil >> >> Thanks for your suggestion. >> >> In this instance, your objective has been achieved. There is already a >> static versions available for download from multiple sites, so no need for >> a policy decision in my view. >> >> Moreover, there are other sites which can accommodate static versions of >> publications like this including the recently announced UNESCO OER portal. >> >> The time and effort to constitute an official WIkiEducator >> Workgroup<http://wikieducator.org/Workgroup:WikiEducator_Workgroups/Guidelines> >> to >> develop a policy proposal for static versions of documents published by >> third parties would appear to be unproductive use of community time. >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Wayne >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Anil Prasad <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Dear Patricia, >>> >>> In simple terms my suggestion was,s to have a policy to provide a space >>> for keeping CC-BY and CC-BY-SA original works/documents :) I think, in no >>> way, it defeat the CC freedoms >>> >>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Patricia Schlicht <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Anil,**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> In my personal view your suggestion, to want to develop a policy, to >>>> prevent cc-by and cc-by-sa originals and derivatives from any changes, >>>> would defeat the purpose of these copyright licenses, but I know what you >>>> are saying. I also appreciate the fact that you want to differ between an >>>> original version and an upgrade, so I suggest the following:**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> **1. **We would as Wayne already suggested insert the link to a >>>> pdf document, this way, keeping the original as is; and**** >>>> >>>> **2. **We could insert another Tab in the book template, to >>>> enable our community to suggest changes under the book headers, by chapter. >>>> This way, any changes can be documented, provided our editors enter them. >>>> This would need to be monitored.**** >>>> >>>> **3. **Advantage: The book will be updated and added-value to.**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Let me know what you think. Thanks, Anil**** >>>> >>>> Cheers,**** >>>> >>>> Patricia**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> **** >>>> >>>> *From:* Anil Prasad [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:41 AM >>>> *To:* Patricia Schlicht >>>> >>>> *Cc:* [email protected]; >>>> [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* Re: [WikiEducator] Joint COL UNESCO OER Publications >>>> available on WikiEducator**** >>>> >>>> ** ** >>>> >>>> Dear Dr. Wayne and Patricia, >>>> >>>> Initially I also thought in the same lines, however on second thought I >>>> felt that we may require policies to keep CC-BY or CC-BY-SA originals and >>>> derivatives. Definitely it is not to limit the freedom, but purely on >>>> research interest. Similarly, as we go on with OERu system, there would be >>>> chances that some institutions in the network might request to add their >>>> CC-BY of CC-BY-SA materials on WE with a provision to keep the originals >>>> while giving all freedom for making derivative works- may be due to >>>> resource constraint to maintain their own setup for hosting such materials >>>> etc etc >>>> >>>> Moreover I think, once edited we may not be able to use descriptions >>>> like A joint COL-UNESCO OER Publication etc as we see in the header >>>> template. >>>> >>>> Hope my thoughts are not going wild :)**** >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Patricia Schlicht <[email protected]> >>>> wrote:**** >>>> >>>> Dear Anil, >>>> >>>> Thanks for your comments. I agree with Wayne, given that the document >>>> was created as an open license publication, it can be edited, but anyone is >>>> free to put this book on their own 'watchlist', to monitor the editing >>>> done. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Patricia**** >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] on behalf of Wayne Mackintosh >>>> Sent: Wed 11/30/2011 7:03 PM >>>> To: Anil Prasad >>>> Cc: [email protected]; >>>> [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [WikiEducator] Joint COL UNESCO OER Publications available >>>> on WikiEducator >>>> >>>> HI Anil, >>>> >>>> I think it would be better to provide a clear link to the published >>>> (non-editable) version. >>>> >>>> The CC license permits editing and improvements so there is no need to >>>> lock >>>> editing in my view. >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Anil Prasad <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi Patricia, >>>> > >>>> > GREAT!!! A BIG THANK YOU!!! >>>> > >>>> > One suggestion, as these are approved documents, we may place a >>>> template >>>> > to request readers to avoid direct editing of the content since it is >>>> an >>>> > approved document and to add suggestions/comments on the discussion >>>> pages. >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 5:04 AM, Patricia Schlicht <[email protected] >>>> >wrote: >>>> >**** >>>> >>>> >> Dear All,**** >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ****** >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> Please note that the following joint COL UNESCO OER publications are >>>> now**** >>>> >>>> >> available on WikiEducator:**** >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> *A Basic Guide for Open Educational Resources (OER)* >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> http://wikieducator.org/A_Basic_Guide_for_OER/Home**** >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> *Guidelines for Open Educational Resources For Higher Education* >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> http://wikieducator.org/Guidelines_for_Open_Educational_Resources_for_Higher_Education/Home >>>> >> **** >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> Warm wishes**** >>>> >> >>>> >> Patricia**** >>>> >> >>>> >> ** ** >>>> >> >>>> >> *Patricia Schlicht***** >>>> >>>> >> >>>> >> -- >>>> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> >> Groups "WikiEducator" group. >>>> >> To visit wikieducator: http://www.wikieducator.org >>>> >> To visit the discussion forum: >>>> >> http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator >>>> >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>> >> >>>> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Warm regards >>>> > >>>> > Anil >>>> > http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Anil_Prasad >>>> > http://www.apletters.blogspot.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> --**** >>>> >>>> Wayne Mackintosh <http://wikieducator.org/User:Mackiwg>, Ph.D. >>>> Director OER 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