Dear Abel, Thank you very much for the details/clarifications and very happy to hear that the logo carries cc-by license! Definitly, volunteers in the community will come forward to further develop it.
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:36 PM, Caine, Abel <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear all, > > I'd like to provide some answers to the questions that have been posed on > the new OER logo. > > 1. It's not an official logo, not of UNESCO, not of the global OER > movement > > 2. When I came to UNESCO HQ to take over UNESCO's OER Programme, the 1st > thing I noticed was that the old logo was too English centric. It's 1 of > the reasons that not a single non-English OER initiative uses the old logo. > > 3. Since we had engaged the super-talented Jonathas Mello for the WSIS KC > Platform of Communities, I asked him to create a new logo that captured the > spirit of OER and allowed for the term to be expressed in all of the worlds > languages. > > 4. We thought we'd take advantage of Open Education Week to launch the > logo and drive for as many languages as possible. > > 5. We initially released the logo as ND as we wanted to preserve or > lock-down the look (like a brand). We quickly moved to make it just BY when > we were informed we wouldn't easily get the language interpretations we > wanted. Secondly, we'd like the global community to take ownership of the > language versions. We only have Jonathas till May 2012 and hope that enough > momentum will be created for new terms to emerge and graphics artists to > create the new versions and with sufficient Wikipedia editing skills and > rights upload it to the Wikipedia page. > > 6. Someone asked why we used a book metaphor. In the developing countries > we work in, books have been and for the foreseeable future, will always be > the medium of learning. People have asked about the hands (even the > malnourishment) of the hands. We felt it symbolized both humanity and > mutual cooperation. Jonathas has provided a detailed philosophical and > technical explanation of the logo and we advise everyone to please review > it. > > 7. Finally someone asked why we need a global logo, and that we should > let a thousand logos bloom. That's fair and we don't have any (real) > problems with anyone taking the new logo and putting smiley faces on it. At > Unesco with our global operations, we needed a logo that we could use in > all the 196 countries and ultimately all the 6,600+ languages we work with. > > In 2 days we've gone from 7 to 11 languages (recalling we just had 1 > before). Please help us by nominating the term in your non-English and/or > forwarding to friends who are native/fluent speakers in another language. > > Regards, > Abel > > UNESCO > > > On 28 févr. 2012, at 01:22, "j. Tim Denny" <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I was just reading some of the posts on the topic of this logo developed > by UNESCO and was formulating some opinion about the issue.... then I > happened upon Mark MCGuire's post of 27 Feb... Well said Mark.... > > I also do not think the logo in discussion is very attractive, conveys > meaning correctly nor is it very functional. I did a Google search for OER > logos and would say those that I am most personally attracted to are the > simple ones. I particularly like this one... > http://www.elearning.eps.manchester.ac.uk/blog/2011/open-educational-resources-oer-event-review/ > > > But as Mark says... why have an official logo.... agreed... I am > puzzled by the energy put into this issue... is having a single logo > really so significant? Why not be open and encourage an assortment of > logos which could all be free and usable when and where one chooses to > borrow them. Promotion of one logo produced and sponsored by any > particular organization seems to go against the flow of openness and > freedom. The key here would be for the logo creators to make available the > source so that others can easily adapt them for their own purposes. If at > some point the majority of people tend to reuse a particular logo then so > be it... it still does not mean it is official as there is no reason for > "official" in the world of "open". > > Cheers > Tim > > __________________________________ > j. Tim Denny, Ph.D. > Consultant - International Development, Education and ICT > SKYPE - jtdenny Googletalk - denny.jt > http://www.linkedin.com/in/jtdenny > https://www.avuedigitalservices.com/VR/id130765695 > ..... > While SAT scores might predict your success in the classroom, beyond a > basic level of intelligence your passion, motivation, initiative, > networking and hustle matter more than your grade-point average. Dale > Stephens founder of UnCollege.org > > https://www.sugarsync.com/referral?rf=esi2y0whdhk52&utm_source=txemail&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=referral > > > > > On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 00:54, Mark McGuire <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Regarding the discussion about the OER Logo: >> >> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/access-to-knowledge/open-educational-resources/global-oer-logo/ >> >> Why does anyone see a need for a logo to point out that something can be >> used as an Open Educational Resource? Surely, an open license (preferably >> CC-BY) is enough, as that covers the "O" part of an OER. Whether or not it >> is useful, or suitable, as an Educational Resource is up to the person who >> finds it. Anything else is redundant. Worse, it suggests that an OER is >> somehow preferable if it has the stamp of approval of some individual, >> group, or organization. Why set up a hierarchy of OERs, with some >> designated as more "official", "recognized", or "approved" than others? >> >> As a design, the official Unesco OER logo is not very good. It harks back >> to the book. It is medium specific (if the book is meant to signify >> "education" what are we trying to say - that this particular artifact, >> unlike others that lack this logo, may be used for educational purposes?). >> The signification of the open hand is ambivalent (and, in combination with >> the "arm" suggests a cartoon character). The use of text makes it language >> specific. Is it important to communicate what language the creator of an >> OER understands, especially if an OER with a CC-BY license can be >> translated into any language? Which language variant of the logo do you use >> then? An OER logo is only useful to the extent that any attempt to design >> one is a lesson in how difficult, if not impossible, it is. In the end, the >> design of such a logo, and detailed discussions about its use, is a signal >> that the movement is becoming institutionalized. We should be wary of any >> attempts to capture, control, or corral a practice that, by definition is >> meant to be truly "Open". I would suggest forgetting about an OER logo and >> just go about creating them with the appropriate license, using them, and >> sharing them. >> >> Mark >> ________________________________________ >> >> Dr. Mark McGuire >> Senior Lecturer, Department of Applied Sciences >> University of Otago, Box 56, Dunedin, 9054, New Zealand >> email: [email protected] >> phone: 0064 3 479-7156 >> http://www.design.otago.ac.nz/ >> http://www.markmcguire.net/ >> Twitter: @mark_mcguire >> >> On 27/02/2012, at 3:37 AM, Stephen Downes wrote: >> >> On 25/02/2012 9:19 PM, Cable Green wrote: >> >> UNESCO – please change the license from CC BY ND… to either CC BY … or >>> CC BY SA… so we can all use it. >> >> >> I really wonder whether this narrow interpretation is accurate and in the >> best interests of CC licensing generally. >> >> With the logo as it is, I feel free to slap it on my OER contents, so >> long as they are OERs, pretty much no matter what CC license I use - >> CC-by-NC, CC-NC, whatever. Because they are *all* open educational >> resources (agitation by commercial entites to the contrary notwithstanding). >> >> If I were a *real* stickler for the letter of the law (which I'm not) I >> would put an asterisk by the logo and ass the text at the bottom: * OER >> logo (cc) UNESCO CC-by-ND >> >> What *their* license tells me is that (a) I can use it in this way, but >> (b) only if I don't replace the hands with smiley faces (or my corporate >> logo). >> >> Suggesting that ND means I cannot *attach* it to anything seems to me to >> be a very narrow legalistic interpretation of ND. How can it be a * >> derivative* or of a logo to *apply* (without changes) it to what it is >> intended to designate? >> >> Personally, I probably won't use the logo - I don't understand why it was >> created or what it is supposed to signify, exactly. But those who do choose >> to use the logo should not feel constrainted by a limitation only a lawyer >> could dream up. It's not a reasonable limitation, and UNESCO should not be >> forced to recognize such a limitation as fact. >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "OER university" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/oer-university?hl=en?hl=en >> Visit the OER univeristy page on http://wikieducator.org/OER_university >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OER-forum mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.esn.org.za/mailman/listinfo/oer-forum >> Unsubscribe: [email protected] >> >> > _______________________________________________ > OER-forum mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.esn.org.za/mailman/listinfo/oer-forum > Unsubscribe: [email protected] > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "OER university" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/oer-university?hl=en?hl=en > Visit the OER univeristy page on http://wikieducator.org/OER_university > -- Warm regards Anil http://www.wikieducator.org/User:Anil_Prasad http://www.apletters.blogspot.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "WikiEducator" group. 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