I hope you do understand that "fixing" the bots is not a simple task. Is the research you mentioned availible in any way that we can make use of it in programming?
On 12/29/08, Brian <brian.min...@colorado.edu> wrote: > Marc, your argument does not address the article I posted. In fact, it > contradicts it. You say it plays into his "turf," but as I pointed out, the > method pits him against himself. > > The future of vandalism bots on Wikipedia is *certainly* machine learning > techniques. The question is, is the community going to waste their time > contacting the police, or figuring out what it would take to get the source > code and some funds from the Foundation? > > If I were a determined vandal, you could not stop me with the current bots. > I consider the vandalism this kid is performing to be trivial. He is not > even trying that hard. The problem is that the bots that have been put up > against him are ruled based and he can easily lookup the rules. Vandalism > and counter-vandalism is an arms race, but it is nowhere near as bad as the > e-mail spam arms race as there is no financial incentive. Thus, simple > bayesian techniques that are used for e-mail, and those described in the > article I posted, will be very effective. The training set is monstrous - > all of the tagged vandalism in the database. The method automatically > escalates the arms race and nips each new technique in the bud as soon as it > surfaces. Beating it will require a new breed of vandals. > > I say it again, contacting the police and the FBI is not the solution. > Fixing the bots is. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Marc Riddell > <michaeldavi...@comcast.net>wrote: > >> on 12/29/08 6:43 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: >> >> > Contacting the police and the FBI. It is an uncreative, heavy-handed >> measure >> > that does not solve the problem. It will not stop this vandal and it >> > will >> > not stop future vandals. >> >> I disagree, Brian. Dealing with him using the computer as the mechanism is >> playing right into him. The computer is his turf, and the far-reaching >> exposure is exactly what he's wanting. The computer setting is something >> he >> feels he can control - the authorities would be something he could not. >> >> Marc >> >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Marc Riddell >> > <michaeldavi...@comcast.net>wrote: >> > >> >> on 12/29/08 6:37 PM, Brian at brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: >> >> >> >>> This is preposterous. >> >> >> >> What is? >> >> >> >> Marc >> >> >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:36 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahew...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> On 12/30/08, Marc Riddell <michaeldavi...@comcast.net> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> Hey, guys! This whole thing could go away rather quickly if one (or >> >> more) >> >>>> of >> >>>>> the persons who feel victimized by him simply made a formal >> >>>>> complaint >> >> to >> >>>> the >> >>>>> police. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Marc Riddell >> >>>> >> >>>> I agree, Marc. I think we would find that most of this talk about >> >>>> blocking the ISP, bots and so on would quickly become unnecessary >> >>>> once >> >>>> a couple of complaints were made to the police and he and his family >> >>>> were dealing with the FBI or the police on their doorstep >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> WikiEN-l mailing list >> >>>> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> WikiEN-l mailing list >> WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >> > > > > -- > You have successfully failed! > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l > _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l