On Jan 8, 2009, at 1:36 AM, [email protected] wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/7/2009 7:57:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> [email protected] writes:
>
> "Encyclopedia" and "record of only what has been published in   
> reliable
> secondary sources" are not synonymous  terms.>>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------
>
> And yet the community needs a method of determining "Is this   
> encyclopedic?"
> We already loosely use an expression like "this is not encyclopedic"  
> in  AfD.
> Apparently there is some sort of processing going on, on the editor  
> level,
> to allow them to determine that.
>
> If the determination is simply the answer to the question "Has this  
> ever
> been published by anyone anywhere?" then we come back again to  
> Notability, since
> this answer destroys notability entirely.
>
> However the community seems to want Notability.  And so my  
> conclusion  is
> that this contradiction means that "This has been published" is not  
> a full
> answer to "Is this encyclopedic?"

Well, you've also switched scales. Notability, defined as some level  
of coverage from sources, works on a topic level. If you applied it to  
the article content level - every claim must be double-sourced - it  
would be disastrous.

I mean, I'm not saying secondary sources are useless. I'm just saying,  
"knowledge published in reliable secondary sources" and "encyclopedia"  
are not equivalent. That's a statement on a line-by-line, fact-by-fact  
scale.

-Phil

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