On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 2:20 AM, WereSpielChequers <[email protected]> wrote: > Last week George Herbert requested that I update this list on the > progress of my test [[User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie treatment]] where > I and other volunteers create new accounts which submit new articles > to Wikipedia. > > The results so far, with 5 editors creating 7 "newbies" who've > submitted 9 articles. > > Firstly the guarantee that someone would tag your new article for > deletion within two minutes. Well six out of nine were tagged for > deletion, though with times ranging from one minute after creation to > almost an hour; so the good news is that most survived their first two > minutes untagged. The bad news is that yes we do have a problem with > overenthusiastic speedy tagging, there are various possible solutions > to this including > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Speedy_deletion_-_24_hour_pause_for_some_articles > > As for surviving seven days, three have gone, three had to be rescued, > and three have survived the week unscathed. Again, not as bad as our > critics may think, but yes we have a problem. > > Of our newbies, one has received a template welcome, two "welcome > warnings" for their unloved offerings, and four have not been > welcomed. My own unloved alter ego whose unpatrolled article has yet > to be edited by anyone else, still has a redlinked talkpage as does > his article. Possible responses to this include > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Welcome_all_useful_new_users,_if_necessary_by_a_bot > > On the plus side one editor declined a speedy and rescued one of these > articles, so I gave them a Barnstar. > > > WereSpielChequers > > > >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 18:21:58 -0400 >> From: Gwern Branwen <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Accepting the challenge to create a new >> article as a newbie and see if it lasts 2 minutes - or 7 days >> To: English Wikipedia <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, WereSpielChequers >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Apologies for reviving a thread from three weeks ago. But the idea >>> that we had degenerated into a newbie biting place where one could >>> "challenge a newbie to create an article on Wikipedia and have that >>> article exist for an entire week. Guaranteed, your article will be >>> marked for ?speedy deletion? within about two minutes of its >>> creation." bugged me, so I thought I'd unscientifically test it. >>> >>> I made a suggestion at >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/new_users#Lets_all_create_an_extra_account >>> >>> Nobody including myself knows how many articles have so far been >>> created as part of the test, and yes one has already been deleted >>> under the novel speedy deletion criteria of "the wikilinks did not >>> have the proper markup". >>> >>> But there are at least two other articles that have survived more than 24 >>> hours. >>> >>> Anyone else who is interested in following the test is welcome to >>> watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie_treatment >>> >>> Two articles at least should be unveiled in the next few days. >>> >>> WereSpielChequers >> >> I particularly enjoyed WilliKing's comment: >> >>> My bad...I sincerely apologize. If I knew about the "challenge", I would >>> have kept the article. It did have, though, words without proper wikilinks. >>> Willking1979 (talk) 02:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC) >> >> I sympathize with him entirely; if I had known about the cop around >> the corner, I wouldn't've casually shoved that woman off cliff. In my >> defense, though, she was ugly. >> >> -- >> gwern >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 16:04:17 -0700 >> From: George Herbert <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Accepting the challenge to create a new >> article as a newbie and see if it lasts 2 minutes - or 7 days >> To: English Wikipedia <[email protected]> >> Message-ID: >> <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 >> >> This is very good data in the "how friendly are we to newbies" question. >> >> Thanks for running the test. >> >> Please send another update in a couple of more days at least, I am too >> busy to follow on-wiki but I want to see more of the results of this. >> >> >> -george >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Gwern Branwen <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 4:55 PM, WereSpielChequers >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Apologies for reviving a thread from three weeks ago. But the idea >>>> that we had degenerated into a newbie biting place where one could >>>> "challenge a newbie to create an article on Wikipedia and have that >>>> article exist for an entire week. Guaranteed, your article will be >>>> marked for ?speedy deletion? within about two minutes of its >>>> creation." bugged me, so I thought I'd unscientifically test it. >>>> >>>> I made a suggestion at >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/new_users#Lets_all_create_an_extra_account >>>> >>>> Nobody including myself knows how many articles have so far been >>>> created as part of the test, and yes one has already been deleted >>>> under the novel speedy deletion criteria of "the wikilinks did not >>>> have the proper markup". >>>> >>>> But there are at least two other articles that have survived more than 24 >>>> hours. >>>> >>>> Anyone else who is interested in following the test is welcome to >>>> watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:WereSpielChequers/Newbie_treatment >>>> >>>> Two articles at least should be unveiled in the next few days. >>>> >>>> WereSpielChequers >>> >>> I particularly enjoyed WilliKing's comment: >>> >>>> My bad...I sincerely apologize. If I knew about the "challenge", I would >>>> have kept the article. It did have, though, words without proper >>>> wikilinks. Willking1979 (talk) 02:32, 6 October 2009 (UTC) >>> >>> I sympathize with him entirely; if I had known about the cop around >>> the corner, I wouldn't've casually shoved that woman off cliff. In my >>> defense, though, she was ugly. >>> >>> -- >>> gwern >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> WikiEN-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> -george william herbert >> [email protected] >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > WikiEN-l mailing list > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l >
Thank you for the update. I want to personally look at the articles and responses in more depth before I comment more, but this has been exceptionally valuable research. -- -george william herbert [email protected] _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list [email protected] To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
