On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:58 AM, FT2 <[email protected]> wrote: > I think you're missing the point, or not appreciating where I'm looking. > The > point about basic attitudes is they inform all other discussions. An admin > who embodies courtesy, thoughtfulness, calmness, balance, is not the kind > who will be (as you describe) "fundamentally unwilling to talk about it, or > even listen". That's a basic attitude problem, verging on incompatibility > with adminship. Yes BLP is a serious matter. So is resisting "mass panic" > and engaging in dialog and consensus seeking - another basic attitude: > faced > with a major crisis some will forget such basics and others won't. > > I wasn't active at the time (on wikibreak) so I didn't see the blow by blow > unfolding of all this nor "who did what". While BLP is a major problem, > there was probably very little that needed doing "that day" or which would > not have tolerated courtesy and time for a formal consensus seeking > approach. Even if some felt that these articles needed radical handling, > that would not negate a good basic attitude of respectfulness - it's as > easy > as "Apologies, I don't disagree that we need discussion but I feel this > deletion is required. You do have valid points though". > > The fact that you felt as you describe actually demonstrates the point I'm > making - because the things you describe as "the problem" would actually > all > be failings of very basic courtesy and standards to other users. Your own > words show it - your complaint is unwillingness to talk, unwillingness to > listen, arguing against the person not the issue, incivility, > belittlement, etc. The words you're using show the problem was not really > BLPs or even the complexity of the dispute, but more it was the way that > basic attitudes were not sufficiently followed by all participating admins. > If they had been, you would not have felt as you describe. > > My argument is therefore directly in line with that - that admins need to > be > first and foremost, people who can and do exemplify good standards of > conduct - even in a heated matter. > > > FT2. > > > Okay, yes, I was misreading you, and that's the bit I was missing. Thanks. It seems like the trick is to work toward implementing this as an actual cultural ideology, which it certainly is not on AN/I right now.
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