Sorry to go on about this, but it really defies belief, sometimes, when you
go into these things. I picked Yogscast because I'd just been watching an
episode with my wife *and* I was just about 100% sure there wouldn't be an
article on Wikipedia about them.

What are you to make of an exchange like this (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:UtherSRG/Archive_4#Deletion_of_Yogscast),
really, if you're looking to write an article about the Yogscast?

Awesome, the file's nuked, and
CIreland<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:CIreland> salted
the Yogscast page. I think we put a stopper on that!
--HTMLCODER.exe<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:HTMLCODER.exe>
 (talk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe>) 23:25, 28
April 2011 (UTC)

"Awesome" in combination with "nuking" stuff and salting a page? Ack.

Michel

On 9 October 2011 01:38, Michel Vuijlsteke <[email protected]> wrote:

> Here's a couple of "discussions". In the very loosest sense of the term.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Yogscast
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/The_Yogscast
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Shadow_of_Israphel
>
> This says it all, really:
>
>
>    - *Delete* - Yet another attempt by fans of an unremarkable podcast to
>    find a way to promote themselves on Wikipedia. See the deletion logs for 
> The
>    
> YogPod<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_YogPod&action=edit&redlink=1>
>    , The 
> Yogscast<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1>
>    , The 
> yogscast<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1>,
>    and 
> Yogscast<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yogscast&action=edit&redlink=1>
>    . MikeWazowski <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MikeWazowski> 
> (talk<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MikeWazowski>)
>    14:34, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
>
>
> And apparently it's personal:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:CIreland#The_Yogscast_Wikipedia_page
>
> Excellent (imho) article start here, btw:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bastawhiz/The_Yogscast
>
> On 9 October 2011 01:18, Michel Vuijlsteke <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogscast springs to mind.
>>
>> A million followers on Youtube, arguably one of the factors in making
>> Minecraft as popular as it is today, deleted time after time.
>>
>> Michel Vuijlsteke
>>
>>
>> On 9 October 2011 01:11, WereSpielChequers 
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> One good place to look would be talkpages deleted per G8, especially
>>> where
>>> the article was deleted per A7.
>>>
>>> Better still if you could get an extract of deleted talkpage edits by
>>> editors with less than 100 edits.
>>>
>>> Or if you don't have access to deleted edits, an extract of Wikipedia
>>> space
>>> edits in subpages of Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion by editors with
>>> fewer
>>> than 100 edits would find shed loads.
>>>
>>> In my experience the most common argument against our notability concept
>>> is
>>> along the lines of "but he exists!". Which is more a failure to grasp the
>>> concept of notability as opposed to having an alternative concept of it.
>>>
>>> More meaningful ones are along the lines of Wikipedia not embracing the
>>> Internet -  our lack of regard for people with high youtube followings
>>> does
>>> seem perverse to some; And ones where notability is as yet uncertain such
>>> as
>>> new signings to major teams who haven't yet played for the team.
>>>
>>> WereSpielChequers
>>>
>>> On 8 October 2011 09:24, David Gerard <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> > 2011/10/7 Johan Jönsson <[email protected]>:
>>> >
>>> > > do you remember any particular discussions about articles (on the
>>> talk
>>> > > page, or AfD if enough newcomers found their way there) on English
>>> > > Wikipedia where you could see that new editors/outsiders didn't agree
>>> > > with the concept of notability, or how notability is interpreted
>>> among
>>> > > (most) Wikipedians? I know that I've seen them, I just can't seem
>>> > > where to find them.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > +1
>>> >
>>> > These need collecting.
>>> >
>>> > Deleting newcomers' hard work is one of our big PR problems. Even if,
>>> > after contemplation, we decide we were actually right to do so.
>>> >
>>> > When someone wanders into the sausage factory and the very first thing
>>> > that happens is that they fall head-first into the meat grinder ...
>>> > this is an *unfortunate* circumstance.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - d.
>>> >
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